[kictanet] Day 1 Talk2Facebook ~ Content Moderation

Sat Sep 19 01:35:18 EAT 2020

Dear Kathy,
Weeh! Waiting to hear the response to your very realistic question from FB
:)

Thank you for your input!

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:18 PM Kathy Mwai via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Sorry I'm late as my comment is from Day 1's agenda focus:
>
> Question to Facebook - where or how do you draw the content boundary and
> are the community standards global or are they local to the owner of the
> Facebook account? An example would be where in some communities here in
> Kenya and elsewhere in Africa the women's attire involves being
> bare-chested (showing their breasts). Should I post something that
> celebrates or mentions this culture and accompany it with the image of such
> a lady, will you tell me the image is against the community standards?
> Whose community standards if here in Kenya they are acceptable standards,
> while in the West perhaps not?
>
> I would expect that you allow me to make such a post and 'hide' it from
> those in jurisdictions where the post goes against their community
> standards, as this is not nudity.
>
> Kathy
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:15, David Indeje via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>> What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps;
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>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing-ethiopia-dangerously-close-to-a-genocide
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>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>>> Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that.  It’s more
>>> concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now
>>> that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the
>>> winner (big spender) takes it all.
>>>
>>> And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential
>>> monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube.
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>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>>>> Good question.
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>>>> FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing
>>>> from them  soon ;-)
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>>>> walu
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>>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u <
>>>> nmutungu at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Walu,
>>>> That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but
>>>> engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get
>>>> different approaches?
>>>> GB
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>>>> On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect
>>>> to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are
>>>> preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be
>>>> corrected.
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>>>> I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity
>>>> building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
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>>>> walu
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>>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via
>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
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>>>> Hi Teacher Karis,
>>>> With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has
>>>> anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from
>>>> reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook
>>>> engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that
>>>> led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports
>>>> that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have
>>>> blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that
>>>> experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in.
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Grace
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My humble thoughts:-
>>>>
>>>> 1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse
>>>> platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves.
>>>> Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught
>>>> flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot
>>>> of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we
>>>> find the balance?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is
>>>> there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course,
>>>> you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled
>>>> by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
>>>>
>>>> 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be
>>>> revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably
>>>> would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net
>>>> Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality>
>>>> to bring yourself up to speed.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary
>>>> responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and
>>>> usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much
>>>> power. Again, how do we find the balance?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *AliHussein*
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
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>>>> Hi There!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hoping you are having a
>>>>
>>>> great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
>>>>
>>>> “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues
>>>> surrounding
>>>>
>>>> Content Moderation on FB!
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>>>> Content Moderation
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>>>> is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share
>>>> your
>>>>
>>>> comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services
>>>> along
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>>>> the following themes:
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>>>> a) Should FB be
>>>>
>>>> moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and
>>>> liberal?
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>>>> b) If FB can
>>>>
>>>> moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different
>>>> cultural
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>>>> expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered
>>>> acceptable
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>>>> while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
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>>>> c) How can FB moderate
>>>>
>>>> content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of
>>>> speech?
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>>>> d) Has your
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>>>> content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was
>>>> your
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>>>> reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
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>>>> We hope to hear from you
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>>>> today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
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>>>> Have a great day!
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>>>> Rest of the Program:
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>>>> Day 2: Data Protection
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>>>> Day 3: Human Rights &
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>>>> Transparency
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Day 4: Connectivity &
>>>>
>>>> Wrap Up
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>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tr. Karis
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>>>> Walu
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