[kictanet] Ke domains cross the 100, 000 Mark (Reminder to Team to make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on and on Corporate Governance.

Jimmy Gitonga jimmygitts at gmail.com
Mon Jul 6 15:34:57 EAT 2020 

Ndugu Ali,

Have no fear, we are not giving up.

When we are asking, we are asking with good intentions, so that we work together to make it happen.
At that time, I was in communication with an upcountry county ICT government official who had wanted to know whether they wait for the ICT Authority or they implement their own solution for communication purposes.
You can imagine how that story went.

We have been part of strategy meetings and roadmap panels and left it to the ICT authority to do their part. What we don’t get is official communication to keep us in the loop, even if things take time.
Communication helps everyone. It seems we have a level of distrust that clouds how we interact, yet we are working to benefit one another.

So we continue with other avenues ... and wait.

Jimmy Gitonga
@Afrowave
Web : Motion
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> 1. Re: .Ke domains cross the 100, 000 Mark (Reminder to Team to
> make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on and
> improving on Corporate Governance. (Ali Hussein)
> 2. Re: .Ke domains cross the 100,000 Mark (Reminder to Team
> KeNIC to make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on
> transparency and improving on Corporate Governance. The silence
> is worrying) - REMINDER NO. 2 (Ali Hussein)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:10:28 +0300
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Cc: Jimmy Gitonga <jimmygitts at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] .Ke domains cross the 100, 000 Mark (Reminder
> to Team to make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on and
> improving on Corporate Governance.
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> Jimmy
>
> Let me respond to you by repeating a quote I love:-
>
> *Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your
> country ~ Khalil Gibran (Lebanese writer)*
>
> We can't give up on this country. It is ours. Period. We will continue to
> hammer it into shape. One nyundo at a time.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> Digital Transformation
>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
>
>
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> organizations that I work with.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> > Sen. Abshiro and Ali,
> >
> > Dr. Kate Getao, then a director at the ICT Authority, at an Oracle
> > Developer Conference at PanAfric Hotel was asked this precise question.
> >
> > She explained that the government had a Disaster Recovery Centre at
> > Ruaraka and that the government was building a datacenter in Naivasha,
> > close to Olkaria (for power purposes) to house all the data from and for
> > government agencies.
> > This data centre would then be opened up for counties. She carefully did
> > not give a date but we were thinking with the ?digital government?
> > promises, we would see this come to fruition within that election period.
> >
> > Note, the problem is not lack of expertise in ICT. It seems we do not
> > ?love? our country. I am not talking about patriotism, I am talking about a
> > good balanced pride in our country.
> > When people join government as elected officials or the civil service, it
> > is like they die inside. Something happens and I cannot figure out what it
> > is.
> >
> > Ali is strong. Some of us stopped asking questions because it is tiring.
> >
> > *Jimmy Gitonga*
> > @Afrowave
> > Web : Motion
> > On 6 Jul 2020, 08:58 +0300, kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:55:34 +0300
> > From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] .Ke domains cross the 100,000 Mark (Reminder
> > to Team KeNIC to make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on
> > transparency and improving on Corporate Governance. The silence is
> > worrying) - REMINDER NO. 2
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAPjmBy1wbNPNA4ibbCAe9KKsdKON4O2tEs+G6UsiTrGORy98Kw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Mheshimiwa
> >
> > Thanks for your personal attention on this matter. My two cents:-
> >
> > 1. First to answer your two issues.
> >
> > a) *T**hat government jobs are so temporary especially for a certain cadre
> > of peopl*e - For as long as one is in Government employment everything that
> > person does on behalf of the people of Kenya remains the property of the
> > people of Kenya. I think the confusion starts when government employees mix
> > personal business with government business. There's a possibility here that
> > there is a requirement for some sensitivity training. We do take a lot for
> > granted but we shouldn't. Bottomline. ALL OFFICIAL BUSINESS SHOULD BE DONE
> > OFFICIALLY. ON GOVT COMMUNICATION CHANNELS. Which means official .go.ke
> > emails.
> > b) *Tech maintenance and support is so bad* - I will not be surprised if
> > this is the case. However, this should not be an excuse for not using
> > official Govt Email. To be honest, Mheshimiwa, its super embarrassing for a
> > country that is kicking ass (forgive the slang) in the technology space
> > worldwide to have a conversation with colleagues in say Nigeria, and one
> > sentence about Government Ministers using gmail/yahoo/hotmail deflates the
> > conversation. Isn't the ICT Authority supposed to sort of act as Government
> > CIO (Chief Information Officer). May be its time for a substantive
> > Government Chief Information Officer responsible for all ICT issues in
> > Government? including Data Centres, ICT Strategy etc? Do we need to revisit
> > ICTA's mandate?
> >
> > 2. In today's world, we cannot afford sensitive government documents all
> > over the world wide web on servers that we have zero control of. My sense
> > is that we need to have some basic **musts** that need to be engrained in
> > government employees. This could actually be an act of parliament on how
> > govt operates ICT Infrastructure for its day to day operations. Here's an
> > example of how the U.K Government deals with this email issue
> > <
> > chrome-extension://ohfgljdgelakfkefopgklcohadegdpjf/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/207131/Private_Email_guidance.pdf
> > >
> > .
> >
> > 3. Lastly Mheshimiwa, this issue of government email use has been discussed
> > for years on this list and others. I don't honestly think (with all due
> > respect to all responsible) that it has been taken seriously enough. Time
> > to take it a notch higher. Could it possibly be something that the Senate
> > ICT Committee can take up and see it to its logical conclusion? I mean if
> > the National Government is in such a rut when it comes to basic email
> > communication can you imagine what is happening in the counties?
> >
> > I think that should be enough to keep you busy on this issue. :-)
> >
> > *Ali Hussein*
> >
> > Digital Transformation
> >
> > Tel: +254 713 601113
> >
> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
> >
> > Skype: abu-jomo
> >
> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> > <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
> >
> > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> > mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> > organizations that I work with.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:33 PM Abshiro Halake via kictanet <
> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> > > Ali, Twahir, team,
> > >
> > > Great idea to enlighten the government and its agencies on this. The ICT
> > > Ministry should actually take the lead. We could put a parliamentary
> > > question to the ICT Ministry as to why the government continues to use
> > > personal emails. That being said, I was once told that there are two
> > > reasons why this is the case - 1. that government jobs are so temporary
> > > especially for certain cadre of people and 2. tech maintenance and
> > support
> > > is so bad. Not sure if these are just excuses but it may be worth it to
> > > still put the questions. Can someone send me a few pointers to include in
> > > the question/statement? Perhaps why it is important to change this and
> > also
> > > reassurance on security etc.....
> > >
> > > Thanks and kind regards,
> > >
> > > Sen. Abshiro
> >
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:18:43 +0300
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> To: Abshiro Halake <abshiro.halake at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] .Ke domains cross the 100,000 Mark (Reminder
> to Team KeNIC to make good on their promise during last year?s AGM on
> transparency and improving on Corporate Governance. The silence is
> worrying) - REMINDER NO. 2
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> Mheshimiwa
>
> Thanks for your response and continued engagement with the community. I
> recall Dr. Ndemo once remarked to me -
>
> *"Ali, wacha wewe!, you haven't worked until you've worked in government." *
>
> I'm sure its worse than that. We can't however give up. I've seen
> government agencies work better than the private sector. Someone needs to
> be held accountable. To my point 3. If someone at the Presidential Delivery
> Unit could just be convinced that without proper tools of communication the
> Big Four Agenda will be put in jeopardy...
>
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> Digital Transformation
>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
>
>
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> organizations that I work with.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Abshiro Halake <abshiro.halake at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks very much Ali, these are great pointers. And yes Senate ICT
> > committee will take it up. Will it be concluded in the 12th parliament's
> > term? Please don't hold me to it but we shall try our very best.
> >
> > With regards to the excuse that tech support is so bad that government
> > employees resort to personal mail, they actually have a point there. A tale
> > is told of employees fired becuase they were not responsive yet the mail to
> > which the urgent request from a "very important person" went was down for
> > days. I have heard that employees resorting to personal mail is out of
> > desperation and willingness to serve in the face of non-existent
> > infrastructure and support. Either way, we must deal with this. This is
> > definitely noted and we will take it up.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 08:55 Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> >
> > > Mheshimiwa
> > >
> > > Thanks for your personal attention on this matter. My two cents:-
> > >
> > > 1. First to answer your two issues.
> > >
> > > a) *T**hat government jobs are so temporary especially for a certain
> > > cadre of peopl*e - For as long as one is in Government employment
> > > everything that person does on behalf of the people of Kenya remains the
> > > property of the people of Kenya. I think the confusion starts when
> > > government employees mix personal business with government business.
> > > There's a possibility here that there is a requirement for some sensitivity
> > > training. We do take a lot for granted but we shouldn't. Bottomline. ALL
> > > OFFICIAL BUSINESS SHOULD BE DONE OFFICIALLY. ON GOVT COMMUNICATION
> > > CHANNELS. Which means official .go.ke emails.
> > > b) *Tech maintenance and support is so bad* - I will not be surprised if
> > > this is the case. However, this should not be an excuse for not using
> > > official Govt Email. To be honest, Mheshimiwa, its super embarrassing for a
> > > country that is kicking ass (forgive the slang) in the technology space
> > > worldwide to have a conversation with colleagues in say Nigeria, and one
> > > sentence about Government Ministers using gmail/yahoo/hotmail deflates the
> > > conversation. Isn't the ICT Authority supposed to sort of act as Government
> > > CIO (Chief Information Officer). May be its time for a substantive
> > > Government Chief Information Officer responsible for all ICT issues in
> > > Government? including Data Centres, ICT Strategy etc? Do we need to revisit
> > > ICTA's mandate?
> > >
> > > 2. In today's world, we cannot afford sensitive government documents all
> > > over the world wide web on servers that we have zero control of. My sense
> > > is that we need to have some basic **musts** that need to be
> > > engrained in government employees. This could actually be an act of
> > > parliament on how govt operates ICT Infrastructure for its day to day
> > > operations. Here's an example of how the U.K Government deals with this
> > > email issue.
> > >
> > > 3. Lastly Mheshimiwa, this issue of government email use has been
> > > discussed for years on this list and others. I don't honestly think (with
> > > all due respect to all responsible) that it has been taken seriously
> > > enough. Time to take it a notch higher. Could it possibly be something that
> > > the Senate ICT Committee can take up and see it to its logical conclusion?
> > > I mean if the National Government is in such a rut when it comes to basic
> > > email communication can you imagine what is happening in the counties?
> > >
> > > I think that should be enough to keep you busy on this issue. :-)
> > >
> > > *Ali Hussein*
> > >
> > > Digital Transformation
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel: +254 713 601113
> > >
> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim
> > >
> > > Skype: abu-jomo
> > >
> > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> > > <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> > > mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> > > organizations that I work with.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:33 PM Abshiro Halake via kictanet <
> > > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ali, Twahir, team,
> > > >
> > > > Great idea to enlighten the government and its agencies on this. The
> > > > ICT Ministry should actually take the lead. We could put a parliamentary
> > > > question to the ICT Ministry as to why the government continues to use
> > > > personal emails. That being said, I was once told that there are two
> > > > reasons why this is the case - 1. that government jobs are so temporary
> > > > especially for certain cadre of people and 2. tech maintenance and support
> > > > is so bad. Not sure if these are just excuses but it may be worth it to
> > > > still put the questions. Can someone send me a few pointers to include in
> > > > the question/statement? Perhaps why it is important to change this and also
> > > > reassurance on security etc.....
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Sen. Abshiro
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:26 PM Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <
> > > > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On these lines, the central government, county governments,
> > > > > parastatals, constituencies etc need to take the lead.
> > > > >
> > > > > As Ali earlier in the week shared, it's very unfortunate to see
> > > > > government department letterheads with a PERSONAL yahoo / gmail / hotmail
> > > > > address. Is it that the government is unable to host a mail server or
> > > > > procure a cloud service? Bottom line again you will note is the ignorance
> > > > > towards basic IT security.
> > > > >
> > > > > KENIC should seek to enlighten the powers that be!
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 cents!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 12:55 PM Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> > > > > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?Team KeNIC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As we celebrate the 100k milestone we need to take cognisant of the
> > > > > > issues raised in the last AGM. We still await a comprehensive
> > > > > > follow-through by KeNIC. I suspect with better corporate governance the
> > > > > > next milestone of 100k names will be much easier to reach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Ali Hussein*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tel: +254 713 601113
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twitter: @AliHKassim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Skype: abu-jomo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> > > > > > <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are
> > > > > > purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> > > > > > organizations that I work with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:21 PM Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
> > > > > > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Listers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Finally we have over 100,000
> > > > > > > <http://registry.kenic.or.ke/statistics.jsp> .Ke names, what a
> > > > > > > milestone. Next should be the 1 Million Mark.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kudos to the KeNIC team.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Barrack O. Otieno
> > > > > > > +254721325277
> > > > > > > +254733206359
> > > > > > > Skype: barrack.otieno
> > > > > > > PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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