[kictanet] [should the victims be blamed? aren't platforms responsible as enablers and amplifiers?] Child marriage on facebook

Ali Hussein ali at hussein.me.ke
Tue Nov 20 17:54:33 EAT 2018


Patrick

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 5:44 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Some responses on this topic raise some interesting and important issues:
>
> 1. Do social media/messaging platform play a role in crime as amplifiers,
> enablers? - *Possible. Though Hitler managed to kill off millions without
> social media. Let's be really careful not to heap blame on platforms where
> human nature plays a major role. Let's also not forget the other side. The
> good that some of these platforms do. *
>
> 2. Would crimes be harder to pull off if such platform could, through
> enhanced technical functionality (which might not necessarily be
> profitable), not be easily used for organized criminal purpose?  *-
> Seriously? Crime and human trafficking was established hundreds of years
> ago. I never saw in history any one blaming the shipping lines and banks
> for perpetuating crime.*
>
> 3. Does the community owe the platform a duty to report (as alluded here,
> such that the community can be blamed for platform misuse)? How much blame
> does the community share? *- But of course. Not the platform but the
> community. You simply don't use the platform and not be responsible to the
> community. This however is something that can be shared between the
> platform and the community.*
>
> 4. If indeed the community has a duty to help FB police its platform, will
> FB also share its revenues with the community seeing as they are its
> informal "employees" as well? Or are they only buddies in bad times but
> strangers in good times? -* There's nothing for free boss. For example I
> pay a monthly subscription on Linkedin. For that I get extras like I can
> tweak my privacy settings, I can get analytics, I can see whose
> 'cyberstalking' me etc.. :-) Maybe a subscription model with its attendant
> benefits may be a good model to think about.. *
>
> 5. Do (or should) victims of social media enabled harm (including, say,
> businesses that lose sales due to chaos or governments whose economies are
> effectively sabotaged) have recourse against the platform owner? To what
> extent? Who else should own the problem and why? *- Worth reviewing from
> a regulatory point of view.*
>
> I think the "deflect blame to the victims" script is unwise and could
> backfire. It would probably cause an uproar if used in more assertive parts
> of the world (i.e. in developed countries/regions).  *- I don't think
> that should be the case. It should be a shared responsibility.*
>
> Good day listers,
> Patrick.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 3:52:31 PM GMT+3, Wainaina Mungai via
> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Facebook as increased their staff significantly to help police what is
> posted. We may want not to blame the medium used and focus more on
> addressing the culture of marrying off children of any gender in any
> country. That way, we remain focussed on 'children's rights'.
>
> The main offenders in this case are the "sellers" and "buyers" who took
> part in the auction.
>
> In the end, the extent of regulation will depend on mutistakeholder
> negotiations on the balance between an open Internet for all and the need
> to protect privacy, security and human rights online.
>
> Wainaina
>
> On 20 Nov 2018 15:18, evelyne wanjiku via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Hi listers,
>
> Im following a debate on cnn about this south sudanese 'baby bride' who
> was auctioned on fb.
>
> It brings me back to this question, who should regulate facebook? Some
> argue fb is too big to regulate all the things that happen on their
> platform.
>
> Who should police fb? Is it us? We have power to shut down our pages if we
> dont agree with what goes on in their...but we don't. Why?
>
> Is it facebook? Do they care about being responsible especially in Africa?
>
> Is it government? And just how far can the government reach?
>
> Or should we just relax and face the beginning of the  end by having an
> attitude of anything goes as long we have internet.
>
> Nice day everyone.
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