[kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook

Wed Mar 28 17:58:25 EAT 2018

Just seen this as well...

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-03-28/facebook-updates-privacy-tools-for-better-data-control?__twitter_impression=true

Rgds

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, 12:31 Ngigi Waithaka, <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:

> Ebele,
>
> If that's the case, then I guess what they do is get a 'screenshot' of
> your photo and maybe *overlay* it on your newsfeed / timeline. The
> *impression* it gives you is that the photo is already uploaded...
>
> Thanks...
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Clarification-your photos are not auto-uploaded to Facebook. The app has
>> access to your photos and essentially shows you your own photo folder and
>> asks if you want to upload. Your pictures do not get uploaded to Facebook
>> until you upload them yourself.
>>
>> I do think it’s a good piece of feedback for our product teams to know
>> that a) this feature is confusing to you, and b) that showing users their
>> photos and asking if they want to upload can be off-putting/not a good
>> experience.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ebele
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Ebele,
>>
>> Thanks for your update, I will check on the contacts settings as you have
>> indicated.
>>
>> I still think though some of the choices we make are not very *clearly*
>> spelt out when we make them. For instance, I can understand the need to
>> sync my contacts, but *not* my call & sms history! And this is especially
>> so for those of use (most of us?) who use our phones for both personal &
>> official business.
>>
>> My recommendation, have at least three settings clearly indicating what
>> you would use them for, if at all!
>> 1. Sync contacts
>> 2. Sync Call records (***)
>> 3. Sync SMS & Messages (***)
>>
>> As regards the photos this is what happen(s) / happened. Normally I would
>> not give FB access to my photos.However, at some point I needed to upload a
>> certain specific photo on to some FB markets that I participate in.
>>
>> Shortly as I was still in the market and as I was scrolling though my
>> newsfeed I started seeing a number of family photos that I had taken
>> earlier, already uploaded but kind of greyed out, with FB asking me whether
>> I wanted to share them.
>>
>> That is very disconcerting!
>>
>> Again, if a user gives access to his photo library for a *single* photo,
>> that should not mean *all* my photos are auto-uploaded to FB, then FB
>> prompts me to share them...
>>
>> My recommendation would be to have at least two settings:
>> 1. Upload a single photo
>> 2. Auto- Upload *ALL* my photos
>>
>> And, I don't consider myself a *pro* FB user, it may very well be that
>> indeed this is already covered so thanks for being our 'customer-care',
>> appreciate :-)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Answers below-for your first question, it’s VERY important to clarify
>>> that Facebook does not “pick up” your contacts. You have to expressly agree
>>> to upload your contacts. For example, I have never agreed to this, so my
>>> contacts have never been uploaded. If you change your mind about the
>>> permission you have given, or if you accidentally gave permission, please
>>> see below for how to opt back out. Note that this feature is “opt-in”, so
>>> express agreement is required for it to be happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is the same for the photographs, so can you please clarify your
>>> question? Are you saying that you granted permission for specific photos to
>>> be posted on your page, and now you want to delete them? Facebook does not
>>> automatically upload any photographs to your page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for
>>>    people using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and
>>>    stay connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a
>>>    better experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use
>>>    this feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they
>>>    can turn it off in settings
>>>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>, or here
>>>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for Facebook
>>>    Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared via that
>>>    app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
>>>    uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM
>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> *Cc: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ebele,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good to see FB represented here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Got two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Supposing FB has picked up my contacts and SMS and I would like to
>>> delete any prior data that has been uploaded, how would I go about that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. I also noticed that when I allow FB contacts to my PhotoGallery on
>>> Android for purposes of being able to select pictures to upload, by
>>> default, it then would upload *all* new pictures taken and ask me whether
>>> I'd like to share them on my timeline.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to also delete any such content that FB has picked from
>>> my phone and auto-uploaded?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 19:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet, <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is useful context, below. Please do let me know if there are
>>> additional questions or concerns. I do appreciate how significant an issue
>>> this is, and am happy to answer questions and relay concerns internally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-and-sms-history/
>>>
>>> March 25, 2018
>>> Fact Check: Your Call and SMS History
>>>
>>> You may have seen some recent reports that Facebook has been logging
>>> people’s call and SMS (text) history without their permission.
>>>
>>> This is not the case.
>>> Opt-in features in Facebook Lite and Messenger
>>>
>>> Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for people
>>> using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and stay
>>> connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a better
>>> experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use this
>>> feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they can
>>> turn it off in settings <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>,
>>> or here <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for
>>> Facebook Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared
>>> via that app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
>>> uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>>>
>>> We introduced this feature for Android users a couple of years ago.
>>> Contact importers are fairly common among social apps and services as a way
>>> to more easily find the people you want to connect with. This was first
>>> introduced in Messenger in 2015, and later offered as an option in Facebook
>>> Lite, a lightweight version of Facebook for Android.
>>> How it works
>>>
>>> When you sign up for Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android, or log into
>>> Messenger on an Android device, you are given the option to continuously
>>> upload your contacts as well as your call and text history. For Messenger,
>>> you can either turn it on, choose ‘learn more’ or ‘not now’. On Facebook
>>> Lite, the options are to turn it on or ‘skip’. If you chose to turn this
>>> feature on, we will begin to continuously log this information, which can
>>> be downloaded at any time using the Download Your Information tool
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/help/131112897028467?helpref=page_content>.
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>>
>>> If, at any point, you no longer wish to continuously upload this
>>> information, you can easily turn this feature off in your settings
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>. You can also turn off
>>> continuous call and text history logging while keeping contact uploading
>>> enabled. You can also go to this page
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mobile/messenger/contacts/> to see which
>>> contacts you have uploaded from Messenger, and you can delete all contact
>>> information you’ve uploaded from that app should you choose.
>>> We never sell this data, and this feature does not collect the content
>>> of your text messages or calls
>>>
>>> When this feature is enabled, uploading your contacts also allows us to
>>> use information like when a call or text was made or received. This feature
>>> does not collect the content of your calls or text messages. Your
>>> information is securely stored and we do not sell this information to third
>>> parties. You are always in control of the information you share with
>>> Facebook.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 3:29 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bigthink.com_news_facebook-2Dhas-2Deven-2Dmore-2Dinformation-2Don-2Deverybody-2Dthan-2Dwe-2Dthought&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=Q0NQKZipOuYa3DG_dMSi0dcSZwBcuCwoGxtkjBJLjko&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
>>>
>>> Brandon A. Weber
>>>
>>> Have an Android phone or device? You might want to read this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BIGTHINK might have thoughts similar to your said friend.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones
>>> [Updated]
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_information-2Dtechnology_2018_03_facebook-2Dscraped-2Dcall-2Dtext-2Dmessage-2Ddata-2Dfor-2Dyears-2Dfrom-2Dandroid-2Dphones_&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=8leTwm8eSfOtCBxtSR8P6cIjt_GGx4UR3Tq0E0SfTTA&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones
>>> [...
>>>
>>> Maybe check your data archive to see if Facebook’s algorithms know who
>>> you called.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Factual or otherwise? Ars Technica makes reference to an FB rejoiner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It should not be lost that even the most basic loyalty card is for
>>> decision making to serve you the customer better - data by the issuer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be blessed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards/Wangari
>>>
>>> ---
>>> *Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are
>>> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of
>>> God on Earth".*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 26 March 2018, 08:52:17 GMT+3, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via
>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See my views from a data science, business model and regulatory
>>> perspective
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Data Breach? What Breach- A Watershed Moment
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/ pulse/data-breach-what-breach-
>>> watershed-moment-big-data- scientist
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>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ali,
>>>
>>> Facebook was built for and is meant for *sharing*! With time, I have
>>> seen FB make us want to share more and more, recommend to us 'friends' at
>>> every turn and inevitably there will be a clash between the sharing and our
>>> privacy!
>>>
>>> Also, there was a time our Newsfeeds were very clean, you'd actually get
>>> to know what your friends were upto, but I do find its now looking
>>> unrecognizable; its become this very noisy marketplace! Or maybe I am
>>> gettitng old :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Privacy unfortunately plays 2nd fiddle to sharing. For me, the straw
>>> that broke the proverbial camels back is seeing photos that I had taken on
>>> my phone already auto-uploaded and semi-shared in my timeline, and with an
>>> absent minded click, I would have shared all on the my timeline!
>>>
>>> I got the app off my phone immediately, but kept the web desktop as I do
>>> continue to use it once in a while.
>>>
>>> I have also seen that FB has been collecting all our Phone records,
>>> calls + SMS as written about on Verge...
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/ 3/25/17160944/facebook-call-
>>> history-sms-data-collection- android
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theverge.com_2018_3_25_17160944_facebook-2Dcall-2Dhistory-2Dsms-2Ddata-2Dcollection-2Dandroid&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=BJA6pHdAXSfUjg6JVCjo5_wQb4kUWhUO9rU_WMv7gB8&e=>
>>>
>>> So, I guess if you're still using FB on Android, you gotta be 'strong'!
>>>
>>> P.S
>>>
>>> Does FB and other Apps synchronize their data policies with those of the
>>> users home country?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope you all had a great weekend. Here’s an interesting article on the
>>> ongoing Facebook fallout.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Excerpt:-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I spent the evening with a friend who is far bolder than me. Having
>>> deactivated his Facebook
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>>> three years ago, he upped the ante this week by deleting his Instagram
>>> account. Even more drastically, he plans officially to *delete* his
>>> long-dormant Facebook account—the last vestige of his serfhood in Mr.
>>> Zuckerberg’s fiefdom—sometime very soon, after his girlfriend has had an
>>> opportunity to port its photos elsewhere. (He prefers offline storage.)
>>>
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>>>
>>> Read on:-
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>>>
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>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>> Building
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>> www.at.co.ke
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> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
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> www.at.co.ke
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