[kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook

[Ngigi Waithaka]

Ebele,

If that's the case, then I guess what they do is get a 'screenshot' of your
photo and maybe *overlay* it on your newsfeed / timeline. The *impression*
it gives you is that the photo is already uploaded...

Thanks...

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:

>
> Clarification-your photos are not auto-uploaded to Facebook. The app has
> access to your photos and essentially shows you your own photo folder and
> asks if you want to upload. Your pictures do not get uploaded to Facebook
> until you upload them yourself.
>
> I do think it’s a good piece of feedback for our product teams to know
> that a) this feature is confusing to you, and b) that showing users their
> photos and asking if they want to upload can be off-putting/not a good
> experience.
>
> Best,
> Ebele
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
> Ebele,
>
> Thanks for your update, I will check on the contacts settings as you have
> indicated.
>
> I still think though some of the choices we make are not very *clearly*
> spelt out when we make them. For instance, I can understand the need to
> sync my contacts, but *not* my call & sms history! And this is especially
> so for those of use (most of us?) who use our phones for both personal &
> official business.
>
> My recommendation, have at least three settings clearly indicating what
> you would use them for, if at all!
> 1. Sync contacts
> 2. Sync Call records (***)
> 3. Sync SMS & Messages (***)
>
> As regards the photos this is what happen(s) / happened. Normally I would
> not give FB access to my photos.However, at some point I needed to upload a
> certain specific photo on to some FB markets that I participate in.
>
> Shortly as I was still in the market and as I was scrolling though my
> newsfeed I started seeing a number of family photos that I had taken
> earlier, already uploaded but kind of greyed out, with FB asking me whether
> I wanted to share them.
>
> That is very disconcerting!
>
> Again, if a user gives access to his photo library for a *single* photo,
> that should not mean *all* my photos are auto-uploaded to FB, then FB
> prompts me to share them...
>
> My recommendation would be to have at least two settings:
> 1. Upload a single photo
> 2. Auto- Upload *ALL* my photos
>
> And, I don't consider myself a *pro* FB user, it may very well be that
> indeed this is already covered so thanks for being our 'customer-care',
> appreciate :-)
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> Answers below-for your first question, it’s VERY important to clarify
>> that Facebook does not “pick up” your contacts. You have to expressly agree
>> to upload your contacts. For example, I have never agreed to this, so my
>> contacts have never been uploaded. If you change your mind about the
>> permission you have given, or if you accidentally gave permission, please
>> see below for how to opt back out. Note that this feature is “opt-in”, so
>> express agreement is required for it to be happening.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is the same for the photographs, so can you please clarify your
>> question? Are you saying that you granted permission for specific photos to
>> be posted on your page, and now you want to delete them? Facebook does not
>> automatically upload any photographs to your page.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for
>>    people using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and
>>    stay connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a
>>    better experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use
>>    this feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they
>>    can turn it off in settings
>>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>, or here
>>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for Facebook
>>    Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared via that
>>    app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
>>    uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM
>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Cc: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook
>>
>>
>>
>> Ebele,
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to see FB represented here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Got two questions:
>>
>> 1. Supposing FB has picked up my contacts and SMS and I would like to
>> delete any prior data that has been uploaded, how would I go about that?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. I also noticed that when I allow FB contacts to my PhotoGallery on
>> Android for purposes of being able to select pictures to upload, by
>> default, it then would upload *all* new pictures taken and ask me whether
>> I'd like to share them on my timeline.
>>
>> Is there a way to also delete any such content that FB has picked from my
>> phone and auto-uploaded?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 19:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet, <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> This is useful context, below. Please do let me know if there are
>> additional questions or concerns. I do appreciate how significant an issue
>> this is, and am happy to answer questions and relay concerns internally.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-an
>> d-sms-history/
>>
>> March 25, 2018
>> Fact Check: Your Call and SMS History
>>
>> You may have seen some recent reports that Facebook has been logging
>> people’s call and SMS (text) history without their permission.
>>
>> This is not the case.
>> Opt-in features in Facebook Lite and Messenger
>>
>> Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for people
>> using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and stay
>> connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a better
>> experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use this
>> feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they can
>> turn it off in settings <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>,
>> or here <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for
>> Facebook Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared
>> via that app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
>> uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>>
>> We introduced this feature for Android users a couple of years ago.
>> Contact importers are fairly common among social apps and services as a way
>> to more easily find the people you want to connect with. This was first
>> introduced in Messenger in 2015, and later offered as an option in Facebook
>> Lite, a lightweight version of Facebook for Android.
>> How it works
>>
>> When you sign up for Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android, or log into
>> Messenger on an Android device, you are given the option to continuously
>> upload your contacts as well as your call and text history. For Messenger,
>> you can either turn it on, choose ‘learn more’ or ‘not now’. On Facebook
>> Lite, the options are to turn it on or ‘skip’. If you chose to turn this
>> feature on, we will begin to continuously log this information, which can
>> be downloaded at any time using the Download Your Information tool
>> <https://www.facebook.com/help/131112897028467?helpref=page_content>.
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>
>> If, at any point, you no longer wish to continuously upload this
>> information, you can easily turn this feature off in your settings
>> <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>. You can also turn off
>> continuous call and text history logging while keeping contact uploading
>> enabled. You can also go to this page
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mobile/messenger/contacts/> to see which
>> contacts you have uploaded from Messenger, and you can delete all contact
>> information you’ve uploaded from that app should you choose.
>> We never sell this data, and this feature does not collect the content of
>> your text messages or calls
>>
>> When this feature is enabled, uploading your contacts also allows us to
>> use information like when a call or text was made or received. This feature
>> does not collect the content of your calls or text messages. Your
>> information is securely stored and we do not sell this information to third
>> parties. You are always in control of the information you share with
>> Facebook.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 3:29 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bigthink.com_news_facebook-2Dhas-2Deven-2Dmore-2Dinformation-2Don-2Deverybody-2Dthan-2Dwe-2Dthought&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=Q0NQKZipOuYa3DG_dMSi0dcSZwBcuCwoGxtkjBJLjko&e=>
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>>
>> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
>>
>> Brandon A. Weber
>>
>> Have an Android phone or device? You might want to read this.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> BIGTHINK might have thoughts similar to your said friend.
>>
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>> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones
>> [Updated]
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_information-2Dtechnology_2018_03_facebook-2Dscraped-2Dcall-2Dtext-2Dmessage-2Ddata-2Dfor-2Dyears-2Dfrom-2Dandroid-2Dphones_&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=8leTwm8eSfOtCBxtSR8P6cIjt_GGx4UR3Tq0E0SfTTA&e=>
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>>
>> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones
>> [...
>>
>> Maybe check your data archive to see if Facebook’s algorithms know who
>> you called.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Factual or otherwise? Ars Technica makes reference to an FB rejoiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It should not be lost that even the most basic loyalty card is for
>> decision making to serve you the customer better - data by the issuer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Be blessed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards/Wangari
>>
>> ---
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>> On Monday, 26 March 2018, 08:52:17 GMT+3, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via
>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See my views from a data science, business model and regulatory
>> perspective
>>
>>
>>
>> Data Breach? What Breach- A Watershed Moment
>> https://www.linkedin.com/ pulse/data-breach-what-breach-
>> watershed-moment-big-data- scientist
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>> *Coach Timothy Oriedo*
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>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Ali,
>>
>> Facebook was built for and is meant for *sharing*! With time, I have seen
>> FB make us want to share more and more, recommend to us 'friends' at every
>> turn and inevitably there will be a clash between the sharing and our
>> privacy!
>>
>> Also, there was a time our Newsfeeds were very clean, you'd actually get
>> to know what your friends were upto, but I do find its now looking
>> unrecognizable; its become this very noisy marketplace! Or maybe I am
>> gettitng old :-)
>>
>>
>> Privacy unfortunately plays 2nd fiddle to sharing. For me, the straw that
>> broke the proverbial camels back is seeing photos that I had taken on my
>> phone already auto-uploaded and semi-shared in my timeline, and with an
>> absent minded click, I would have shared all on the my timeline!
>>
>> I got the app off my phone immediately, but kept the web desktop as I do
>> continue to use it once in a while.
>>
>> I have also seen that FB has been collecting all our Phone records, calls
>> + SMS as written about on Verge...
>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/ 3/25/17160944/facebook-call-
>> history-sms-data-collection- android
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theverge.com_2018_3_25_17160944_facebook-2Dcall-2Dhistory-2Dsms-2Ddata-2Dcollection-2Dandroid&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=BJA6pHdAXSfUjg6JVCjo5_wQb4kUWhUO9rU_WMv7gB8&e=>
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>> So, I guess if you're still using FB on Android, you gotta be 'strong'!
>>
>> P.S
>>
>> Does FB and other Apps synchronize their data policies with those of the
>> users home country?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>
>> Listers
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you all had a great weekend. Here’s an interesting article on the
>> ongoing Facebook fallout.
>>
>>
>>
>> Excerpt:-
>>
>>
>>
>> I spent the evening with a friend who is far bolder than me. Having
>> deactivated his Facebook
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__click.email.fortune.com_-3Fqs-3D72be6926f14318baaea3a7380b00c95467207ed12354af5a388d60d1b5ede0afbdd78c249b8c1f825a3519c8563f1652ec3ff8a6232f4164&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=nznclOesLdBW3_L2i-L7U-A6OVh9BpxunfOkC95sp8E&e=> profile
>> three years ago, he upped the ante this week by deleting his Instagram
>> account. Even more drastically, he plans officially to *delete* his
>> long-dormant Facebook account—the last vestige of his serfhood in Mr.
>> Zuckerberg’s fiefdom—sometime very soon, after his girlfriend has had an
>> opportunity to port its photos elsewhere. (He prefers offline storage.)
>>
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>> Read on:-
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> *Regards,*
>
> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
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> Building
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