[kictanet] Fraud at KENIC?

Fri Jan 26 16:28:51 EAT 2018

@ Wash,

Let me declare that i am not holding brief for KeNIC even though my work
involves promoting ccTLDs across the African continent at www.aftld.org. I
wanted us to have a sober and informed conversation as is the case now, you
may also notice that i requested that for a statement on the ecitizen
downtime so that we dont cast aspersions where there are genuine
challenges. What we are debating happens a lot beyond the borders hence my
call for a sober and informed conversation on the same whilst protecting
the privacy of innocent customers whose details are being thrown around. I
hope that clarifies my stand.

On 26 Jan 2018 15:25, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Barrack,
>
> Are you contracted as an attorney for KeNIC? The tone of your response
> seems to castigate some listers whereas this is a forum where people are
> free to air their opinions freely, unless that changed without my knowledge.
> Secondly, I think you are wrong to come to the defense of KeNIC. They are
> capable of doing that themselves.
> On personal data being passed around, I think it's better to be open about
> what someone alleges. If anyone feels offended, they can seek legal redress.
>
> Just my rebuke of your stand :-)
>
> Now that that is off my chest, I think this statement by KeNIC has been
> concocted. It was done on 24th but could not be released until 26th. It
> comes out strongly in defense of their staff as not being capable of
> impropriety. That is subject to interrogation by listers who believe that
> there has been some impropriety in the process.
>
> I am still reading the statement, and need to read the previous one again,
> alongside the one that contains the allegations.
>
> I have seen this in the statement released today: "S*everal domains
> attracted higher amounts with NI.KE <http://NI.KE> attracting up to KES
> 1,000,0000,038.*" - I am wondering whether this is a typo or some
> misplaced comma or zero....
>
>
>
> On 26 January 2018 at 08:40, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Many thanks Abdalla for the detailed response to the issues raised. On a
>> separate note i find it interesting that someone is circulating a document
>> with personal data and using it as a dossier and we don't have a problem
>> forwading the same even though it is full of allegations. I think this is
>> very wrong and should be stopped. Whenever we have genuine concerns, we
>> should be civil enough to respect personal data in cases where it is
>> included in the dossiers, let us not forget that some of the data may
>> belong to customers across the border.
>>
>> I am also hopeful that we will get a similar detailed response on the
>> downtime affecting e-citizen.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Abdalla via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Listers,
>>>
>>> Attached, please find the official response from KeNIC. This attachment
>>> needs to be read alongside the statement issued on 19th January 2018, on
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Abdalla Omari.
>>> *Chief Executive Officer*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Look forward to reading it. You should consider circulating it widely as
>>> this PDF is been shared in other forums as well
>>>
>>> On 24 January 2018 at 15:06, ceo via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sidney,
>>>>
>>>> I have read your email.
>>>>
>>>> I am preparing a detailed response to the allegations you have raised.
>>>>
>>>> As Barrack has stated, it seems you have been misinformed on how the
>>>> process conducted.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Abdalla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2018 2:03 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Sidney,
>>>> >
>>>> > There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation regarding this
>>>> issue. I have been involved in such processes locally and across the border
>>>> and most often this is the outcome of domain auction processes especially
>>>> where premium domains are concerned. As is the case in the domain name
>>>> industry, software is used to conduct auctions once the necessary policies
>>>> have been put in place. Auctions such as these ellicit global interest
>>>> including mischievous characters who are a handfull to deal with from a
>>>> policy and technical perspective. Even the most advanced and technically
>>>> equipped companies around the world are caught flatfooted from time to
>>>> time.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would suggest that we debate the issue based on facts and not
>>>> insinuations. Let us also be wary of sour grapes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best Regards
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Sidney Ochieng (princelySid) via
>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Listers,
>>>> >> So remember when the domain name system went down? Allegedly there
>>>> was something untoward happening... KENIC has a lot to answer for
>>>> >>
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>>> Sidney
>>>
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>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
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>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> "Oh, the cruft."
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