[kictanet] Registering ICT practitioners

waudo siganga emailsignet at mailcan.com
Tue May 30 22:49:12 EAT 2017 

The public notice is not conforming to the section of the act Bw. Wambua
is quoting. That public notice needs to be corrected else:a) it will confuse the public
b)it will alarm ICT practioners
 
W.
 
 
On Tue, May 30, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet wrote:> I beg we continue tomorrow guys
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On 30 May 2017, at 22:21, Phares Kariuki via kictanet
>  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> Ecommerce? 
>> 
>>  --
>> Phares 
>>
>>  On May 30, 2017, at 9:59 PM, kanini mutemi via kictanet
>>  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> Wambua. I meant the people who must obtain   licenses and compliance
>>> certificates. That notice seems too broad. Who exactly are you
>>> targeting. The portion of the law you have quoted and the notice are
>>> quite different.>>>  
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 at 21:52 Nelson via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:>>>> If I am to go by the license fees stated in the attached document
>>>> ... see my "prophesies" below
>>>>
>>>>  Fast forward to 2020, a cartel of license holders controlling the
>>>>  ICT market, People with no passion, skill or experience. In short,
>>>>  you end up with an elite that has enough capital and connections
>>>>  to ensure that the "law" is being followed.
>>>>
>>>>  This licenses game will introduce an entry barrier that will keep
>>>>  the young and talented out of the market or under the those who
>>>>  have the licenses.
>>>>
>>>>  Nelson>>>>  
>>>> On 30-May-17 9:37 PM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet wrote:
>>>>> I'm beyond words really on this issue...
>>>>>   
>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>  
>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim

>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo

>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

>>>>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com[1]>>>>>  
>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi>>>>>  
>>>>>  Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 30 May 2017, at 9:28 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
>>>>>  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Wambua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Are you guys serious?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  A "telecommunication" device is such things as phones, computers
>>>>>>  etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Now, let's read that law with that in mind and I guess there are
>>>>>>  30M kenyans due for registration....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  You can't make this stuff up!
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet
>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:>>>>>>> I have already done so. Here we go:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> KICA Section
>>>>>>> 24. (1) No person shall— 
>>>>>>> (a) operate a telecommunication system; or 
>>>>>>> (b) provide any telecommunication services 
>>>>>>> except in accordance with a valid licence granted under this
>>>>>>> Act.>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> And there are other clauses in KiCA that cover other services
>>>>>>> such as broadcasting, postal/courier and radio-communications
>>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On 30 May 2017, at 21:17, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet
>>>>>>>  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Wambua
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Please can you quote the exact clause of the exact law that the
>>>>>>>> CA is talking about here?>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Are you guys talking about Telco service providers, Software
>>>>>>>> Developers, Hardware Resellers etc? I'm confused.>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> And how does a license guarantee quality of service? 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> This is simply rent seeking. And will not stand. 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim

>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo

>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

>>>>>>>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com[2]>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 30 May 2017, at 8:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
>>>>>>>>  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wambua,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Please educate me on this one....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  When did this become the law?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  We have had similar debates here when Parliament & later
>>>>>>>>>  Min.ICT tried to push through a very similar law and to the
>>>>>>>>>  best of my knowledge they remained as proposals / draft laws.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Regards>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Wambua, Christopher via
>>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:>>>>>>>>>> Sidney
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> CA is implementing the law that requires service providers in
>>>>>>>>>> the ICT sector to obtain licences from the Authority before
>>>>>>>>>> commencing operations.>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> I did not imply in any way that this was best way to enforce
>>>>>>>>>> contractual obligations.>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On 30 May 2017, at 19:59, Sidney Ochieng
>>>>>>>>>>  <sidney.ochieng at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wambua, 
>>>>>>>>>>> We've been through this argument the last time. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>> see the research that backs up your assertion that this is
>>>>>>>>>>> the best way to get recourse for contractual obligations. We
>>>>>>>>>>> have courts and I'd like to know why that option is
>>>>>>>>>>> inadequate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sidney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 May 2017 19:47, "Wambua, Christopher"
>>>>>>>>>>> <Wambua at ca.go.ke> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sidney
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  The rationale for the public notice is to encourage
>>>>>>>>>>>>  consumers to seek ICT services only from licensed service
>>>>>>>>>>>>  providers. This will guarantee consumers of recourse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>  regulatory intervention in instances where licensees fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>  to meet their contract obligations. It is also meant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>  complement ongoing initiatives to weed out unlicensed
>>>>>>>>>>>>  entities from the ICT market,and therefore protected our
>>>>>>>>>>>>  licensees from unfair competition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Wambua
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  The persons running these unlicensed entities
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > On 30 May 2017, at 19:21, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Out of nowhere... Can someone from the CA explain why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Sidney <Image uploaded from iOS.jpg>>>>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  -->>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi
>>>>>>>>> Synod Building>>>>>>>>> T +254 20 525 0750|Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737
>>>>>>>>> 811 000>>>>>>>>> www.at.co.ke
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -->>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi
>>>>>> Synod Building>>>>>> T +254 20 525 0750|Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737
>>>>>> 811 000>>>>>> www.at.co.ke
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>>>>  enabled growth and development.
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> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for
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> growth and development.>  
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