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<div>a) it will confuse the public</div>
<div>b)it will alarm ICT practioners</div>
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<div>On Tue, May 30, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet wrote:</div>
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<div>I beg we continue tomorrow guys<br />
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On 30 May 2017, at 22:21, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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On May 30, 2017, at 9:59 PM, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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<div>Wambua. I meant the people who must obtain licenses and compliance certificates. That notice seems too broad. Who exactly are you targeting. The portion of the law you have quoted and the notice are quite different. </div>
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<div>On Tue, 30 May 2017 at 21:52 Nelson via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p>If I am to go by the license fees stated in the attached document ... see my "prophesies" below<br />
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Fast forward to 2020, a cartel of license holders controlling the ICT market, People with no passion, skill or experience. In short, you end up with an elite that has enough capital and connections to ensure that the "law" is being followed.<br />
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This licenses game will introduce an entry barrier that will keep the young and talented out of the market or under the those who have the licenses.<br />
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<div>I'm beyond words really on this issue...<br />
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On 30 May 2017, at 9:28 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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Are you guys serious?<br />
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A "telecommunication" device is such things as phones, computers etc<br />
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Now, let's read that law with that in mind and I guess there are 30M kenyans due for registration....<br />
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You can't make this stuff up!<br />
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<div class="me20576gmail_quote">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet <span><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:
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<div>I have already done so. Here we go:</div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>KICA Section</span></div>
<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>24. (1) No person shall— </span></div>
<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>(a) operate a telecommunication system; or </span></div>
<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>(b) provide any telecommunication services </span></div>
<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>except in accordance with a valid licence granted under this Act.</span></div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">And there are other clauses in KiCA that cover other services such as broadcasting, postal/courier and radio-communications services. </div>
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On 30 May 2017, at 21:17, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">Please can you quote the exact clause of the exact law that the CA is talking about here? </div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">Are you guys talking about Telco service providers, Software Developers, Hardware Resellers etc? I'm confused. </div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">And how does a license guarantee quality of service? </div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">This is simply rent seeking. And will not stand. </div>
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On 30 May 2017, at 8:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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Please educate me on this one....<br />
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When did this become the law?<br />
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We have had similar debates here when Parliament & later Min.ICT tried to push through a very similar law and to the best of my knowledge they remained as proposals / draft laws.<br />
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">CA is implementing the law that requires service providers in the ICT sector to obtain licences from the Authority before commencing operations. </div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">I did not imply in any way that this was best way to enforce contractual obligations. </div>
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<div id="me20576m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">Regards<br />
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On 30 May 2017, at 19:59, Sidney Ochieng <<a href="mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sidney.ochieng@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br />
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<div>We've been through this argument the last time. I'd like to see the research that backs up your assertion that this is the best way to get recourse for contractual obligations. We have courts and I'd like to know why that option is inadequate <br />
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<div class="me20576gmail_quote">On 30 May 2017 19:47, "Wambua, Christopher" <<a href="mailto:Wambua@ca.go.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Wambua@ca.go.ke</a>> wrote:
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The rationale for the public notice is to encourage consumers to seek ICT services only from licensed service providers. This will guarantee consumers of recourse to regulatory intervention in instances where licensees fail to meet their contract obligations. It is also meant to complement ongoing initiatives to weed out unlicensed entities from the ICT market,and therefore protected our licensees from unfair competition.<br />
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The persons running these unlicensed entities<br />
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> Out of nowhere... Can someone from the CA explain why?<br />
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