[kictanet] Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade

Sun Feb 19 11:05:39 EAT 2017

Ngigi, has literally hit the nail on the head.

On 19 Feb 2017 10:05, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Wambua,
>
> The issue we are having is about this 'device' tapping into Telcos
> networks and being able to do a,b,c
>
> If that 'device' was as benign as you put it, I think CA would be more
> forthcoming with info, which you haven't so far. You are only describing to
> us your problem, but not addressing our concerns.
>
> There's no way under our laws where CA taps into a telco then decides for
> itself what data it'd like to take.
>
> If you think we're overreacting, this sounds *exactly* like one of those
> programs NSA introduced in the US to collect data from the Telcos.
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora
>
> Same devices, different 'excuses'! You just chose the 'counterfeits'
> excuse.
>
> If you want this to go away, and you are genuinely interested in going
> against counterfeits as opposed to using that as an excuse to tap into
> customers data(that's how it's coming out), spin this around....
>
> Say, we have a device that can detect counterfeits. To do that, we require
> that all Telcos hence forth, on a Realtime basis, to provide us with the
> following data:
> 1.
> 2.
> 3.
>
> Given the above data, we'll provide the Telco on a Realtime basis, the
> devices legitimacy status (counterfeit or not)
>
> Simple, easy to defend, clean... As Truth almost always is....
>
>
>
> On 19 Feb 2017 9:27 a.m., "Wambua, Christopher via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Nanjira
>>
>> Your fears are unjustified. The system only focuses on the device not
>> content. The initial phase of the switch off of counterfeit devices did not
>> address clones. As a result, it was agreed a second phase would be
>> necessary to deal with the menace of counterfeits in a holistic manner.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 Feb 2017, at 08:09, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, Kanini.
>>
>> This issue reeks of  sinister intents. For instance, if CA switched off
>> 1.5 million counterfeit devices in 2012 without this DMS, why is it needed
>> now?
>> Furthermore, The CA statement didn't ease the tension at hand, only
>> raised more questions.
>>
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/plan-to-tap-phones-raises-eyebr
>> ows/1056-3818828-skf8hl/index.html
>>
>> This is an election year. From shopping for police armoury to even
>> previous reports of CA investing in equipment to "monitor online spaces",
>> we have every right to be anxious and demand clarity.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nanjira.
>>
>> Sent on the move.
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2017, at 19:36, kanini mutemi <kaninimutemi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On that 'consumer awareness' and 'public participation' note. There's a
>> Bill now before the Senate on Public Participation prescribing guidelines
>> on how adequate public participation ought to be carried out. This being an
>> election year it might not become law but could inform future legislative
>> efforts on this area. Find attached.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Noting that Okiya Omtatah has filed a petition in court, and there
>>> should be a hearing on Monday.
>>>
>>> The consumer awareness couldn’t be rolled out fast enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2017, at 13:29, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
>>>
>>> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> kictanet-owner at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..."
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re: [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war on
>>>      counterfeit trade - Daily Nation (Ali Hussein)
>>>   2. Fwd:Deloitte Annual Graduate Recruitment 2017 (Gakiria)
>>>
>>> *From: *Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war
>>> on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation*
>>> *Date: *17 February 2017 at 13:01:03 EAT
>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> *Cc: *"Alwala, Rachel" <Alwala at ca.go.ke>, CPA <CPA at ca.go.ke>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rachel, Wambua
>>>
>>> Thank you for your prompt response. However, other than take your word
>>> for it it would also be prudent for the Telcos (Safaricom, Orange, Airtel)
>>> to also let us know their thoughts on this without fear of being victimized.
>>>
>>> Steve? Anyone from Orange here with authority to speak? How about
>>> Airtel?
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>
>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>> a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2017, at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear listers,
>>>
>>> We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority
>>> will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system
>>> works.  There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no
>>> information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases
>>> (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a
>>> device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of
>>> privacy?
>>>
>>> We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No
>>> one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with
>>> vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM
>>> boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the
>>> public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
>>>
>>> Rachel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done?
>>> The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is
>>> the Type Approval Regulations, 2010.
>>> If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a
>>> right like privacy?
>>> Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???
>>> On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc at lists.my.co.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Listers
>>>>
>>>> From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your
>>>> calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
>>>>
>>>> The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has
>>>> ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
>>>>
>>>> Read on:-
>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phon
>>>> e-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>>> a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> isoc mailing list
>>>> isoc at lists.my.co.ke
>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/alwala%40ca.go.ke
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Gakiria <gakiria at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject: **[kictanet] Fwd:Deloitte Annual Graduate Recruitment 2017*
>>> *Date: *17 February 2017 at 13:23:57 EAT
>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
>>> Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <image002.png>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kenya  |  Human Resources  |  17 February 2017
>>>
>>> <image004.jpg>
>>> *Annual Graduate Recruitment 2017 * Making an Impact
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Annual Graduate Recruitment (AGR) drive season is here with us
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will be running the AGR 2017 campaign on the following social media
>>> platforms: *Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn* and *WhatsApp*. We encourage
>>> you to retweet, like, share and comment to create more awareness about the
>>> recruitment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·         Twitter Account *@DeloitteKenya* and the hashtag
>>> *#Work4DeloitteEA*
>>>
>>> ·         Facebook page *Deloitte East Africa*
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Deloitte-East-Africa/187023008014678>
>>>
>>> ·         LinkedIn page *Deloitte East Africa*
>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/pub/deloitte-east-africa-dea/40/898/991>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have also attached an e-card, which you can send to your contacts to
>>> encourage them to apply.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Applications will be received online between *1 March 2017* and *31
>>> March 2017. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> *Human Resources*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <image005.png> <https://www.facebook.com/DeloitteEastAfrica/>
>>>
>>> *<image006.png>* <https://twitter.com/DeloitteKenya>
>>>
>>> *<image007.png>* <https://www.linkedin.com/company/deloitte-east-africa>
>>>
>>> *<image008.png>* <https://www.yammer.com/deloitte.com/>
>>>
>>> *<image009.png>*
>>> <https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/get-connected/contact-us.html?icid=bottom_contact-us>
>>>
>>> <image010.png>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deloitte Place
>>>
>>> Waiyaki Way, Muthangari
>>>
>>> P. O. Box 40092 - GPO 00100
>>>
>>> Nairobi, Kenya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deloitte refers to one or more of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited, a UK
>>> private company limited by guarantee (“DTTL”), its network of member firms,
>>> and their related entities. DTTL and each of its member firms are legally
>>> separate and independent entities. DTTL (also referred to as “Deloitte
>>> Global”) does not provide services to clients. Please see *www.deloitte.com/about
>>> <http://www.deloitte.com/about>* for a more detailed description of
>>> DTTL and its member firms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> © 2017 Deloitte & Touche
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Disclaimer:* *Deloitte refers to one or more of Deloitte Touche
>>> Tohmatsu Limited, a UK private company limited by guarantee, and its
>>> network of member firms, each of which is a legally separate and
>>> independent entity. Please see www.deloitte.com/about
>>> <http://www.deloitte.com/about> for a detailed description of the legal
>>> structure of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited and its member firms.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <E-Card AGR 2017.jpg>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Nanjira
>>> www.nanjira.com  <http://www.nanjira.com/>
>>>
>>> About.Me <http://about.me/ninanjira> | Twitter
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ninanjira> | LinkedIn
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/nanjira> | Skype
>>> <http://hatscripts.com/addskype?nanjirasambuli>
>>>
>>> IM: +254722481566 (WhatsApp | Telegram | iMessage)
>>>
>>> PGP: 1DBE1F47A6878B0D
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/kaninimutemi%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mercy Mutemi
>> *Mutemi Sumbi Advocates*
>>
>>
>> <15—public participation-Bill formatted.pdf>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> kictanet mailing list
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>> ailman/options/kictanet/wambua%40ca.go.ke
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> kictanet mailing list
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>> ailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kictanet mailing list
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>
> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/
> mailman/options/kictanet/anderson.levi%40gmail.com
>
> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20170219/897eda89/attachment.htm>