[kictanet] Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade

Sun Feb 19 10:04:17 EAT 2017

Wambua,

The issue we are having is about this 'device' tapping into Telcos networks
and being able to do a,b,c

If that 'device' was as benign as you put it, I think CA would be more
forthcoming with info, which you haven't so far. You are only describing to
us your problem, but not addressing our concerns.

There's no way under our laws where CA taps into a telco then decides for
itself what data it'd like to take.

If you think we're overreacting, this sounds *exactly* like one of those
programs NSA introduced in the US to collect data from the Telcos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

Same devices, different 'excuses'! You just chose the 'counterfeits' excuse.

If you want this to go away, and you are genuinely interested in going
against counterfeits as opposed to using that as an excuse to tap into
customers data(that's how it's coming out), spin this around....

Say, we have a device that can detect counterfeits. To do that, we require
that all Telcos hence forth, on a Realtime basis, to provide us with the
following data:
1.
2.
3.

Given the above data, we'll provide the Telco on a Realtime basis, the
devices legitimacy status (counterfeit or not)

Simple, easy to defend, clean... As Truth almost always is....

On 19 Feb 2017 9:27 a.m., "Wambua, Christopher via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Nanjira
>
> Your fears are unjustified. The system only focuses on the device not
> content. The initial phase of the switch off of counterfeit devices did not
> address clones. As a result, it was agreed a second phase would be
> necessary to deal with the menace of counterfeits in a holistic manner.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19 Feb 2017, at 08:09, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing, Kanini.
>
> This issue reeks of  sinister intents. For instance, if CA switched off
> 1.5 million counterfeit devices in 2012 without this DMS, why is it needed
> now?
> Furthermore, The CA statement didn't ease the tension at hand, only raised
> more questions.
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/plan-to-tap-phones-raises-
> eyebrows/1056-3818828-skf8hl/index.html
>
> This is an election year. From shopping for police armoury to even
> previous reports of CA investing in equipment to "monitor online spaces",
> we have every right to be anxious and demand clarity.
>
> Regards,
> Nanjira.
>
> Sent on the move.
>
> On 18 Feb 2017, at 19:36, kanini mutemi <kaninimutemi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On that 'consumer awareness' and 'public participation' note. There's a
> Bill now before the Senate on Public Participation prescribing guidelines
> on how adequate public participation ought to be carried out. This being an
> election year it might not become law but could inform future legislative
> efforts on this area. Find attached.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Noting that Okiya Omtatah has filed a petition in court, and there should
>> be a hearing on Monday.
>>
>> The consumer awareness couldn’t be rolled out fast enough.
>>
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>> *From: *Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> *Subject: **Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war
>> on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation*
>> *Date: *17 February 2017 at 13:01:03 EAT
>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Cc: *"Alwala, Rachel" <Alwala at ca.go.ke>, CPA <CPA at ca.go.ke>
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>> Rachel, Wambua
>>
>> Thank you for your prompt response. However, other than take your word
>> for it it would also be prudent for the Telcos (Safaricom, Orange, Airtel)
>> to also let us know their thoughts on this without fear of being victimized.
>>
>> Steve? Anyone from Orange here with authority to speak? How about Airtel?
>>
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>> On 17 Feb 2017, at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Dear listers,
>>
>> We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority
>> will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system
>> works.  There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no
>> information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases
>> (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a
>> device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of
>> privacy?
>>
>> We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No
>> one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with
>> vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM
>> boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the
>> public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>> But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done?
>> The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is
>> the Type Approval Regulations, 2010.
>> If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a
>> right like privacy?
>> Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???
>> On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc at lists.my.co.ke>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your
>>> calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
>>>
>>> The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has
>>> ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
>>>
>>> Read on:-
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phon
>>> e-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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