[kictanet] KRA's radical plan to catch tax cheats

Tue May 10 23:03:13 EAT 2016

I agree Mwendwa.. This is tapping the aggregated vendors data at the SafariCom Paybill platform...and no consumer data aggregation is required.

> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 20:40:35 +0300
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KRA's radical plan to catch tax cheats
> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> CC: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
> To: lnjogu at hotmail.com
> 
> 1. Paybill platform already has a VAT module that can be activated at
> any time by Safaricom. The equivalent of Paybill is your organisation
> Point of Sale or better still ERP.
> 2. Small players don't need to worry as far as VAT is concerned. If
> your annual turnover is below five million Kenyan shillings, you are
> not required to register for VAT
> 
> On 10/05/2016, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> > Don't forget - KRA already collects tax on m-pesa transactions - if
> > Bob is listening here, perhaps he can tell us just how much this is!
> >
> > There is also the question of how much time and effort is spent (at
> > what cost to the taxpayer!) chasing after all the small 'Lipa na
> > m-pesa' dukas.
> >
> > There is a point where some taxes are not worth collecting - ie.
> > costing more to administer and collect than the amount collected -
> > case in point - road tax
> >
> > Does KRA already have powers, without notice, to examine our bank
> > transaction records? Neither should they get into mobile money
> > transactions without a court order!
> >
> > Cheers from a very wet Kwale County ;)
> >
> >
> > On 10/05/2016, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >> Thinking exactly the same thing.. Ali.
> >>
> >> It is extremely surprising to me that the privacy issue has not been
> >> mentioned at all in all this. Even in the article. As Kenyans we tend to
> >> not understand how crucial privacy is. Especially in the context of what
> >> is
> >> going to go on here.
> >>
> >> This is the exact same issue that has put governments in the west at a
> >> great pain to explain their *secretive* involvement in yet here we are
> >> comfortably going *public* about it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a great initiative to expand the tax bracket. Im just curious
> >>> how
> >>> this will be achieved considering the slippery slope that will be
> >>> encountered on Privacy issues.
> >>>
> >>> *Ali Hussein*
> >>>
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> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <
> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> @Grace B, do we have a law that would facilitate this? Or is KRA being
> >>>> over enthusiastic? How much would they really net in guys transacting a
> >>>> few
> >>>> thousands?
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 14:09:05 +0300
> >>>> Subject: [kictanet] KRA's radical plan to catch tax cheats
> >>>> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >>>> CC: nmutungu at gmail.com
> >>>> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Listers,
> >>>>
> >>>> KRA is targeting mobile money as part of the agency’s financial data
> >>>> gathering scheme that is meant to monitor businesses and individuals who
> >>>> are not paying their fair share of taxes.
> >>>>
> >>>> People familiar with the plan said the taxman is at an advanced stage of
> >>>> rolling out a number crunching mechanism that will use electronic data
> >>>> to
> >>>> suggest incomes of those using mobile money to pay bills and make
> >>>> purchases.
> >>>>
> >>>> Full article here:
> >>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/KRA-radical-plan-to-catch-tax-cheats/-/996/3196496/-/brq96h/-/index.html
> >>>> --
> >>>> Grace L.N. Mutung'u
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