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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I agree Mwendwa.. This is tapping the aggregated vendors data at the SafariCom Paybill platform...and no consumer data aggregation is required.<br><br><div>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 20:40:35 +0300<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KRA's radical plan to catch tax cheats<br>> From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> CC: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com<br>> To: lnjogu@hotmail.com<br>> <br>> 1. Paybill platform already has a VAT module that can be activated at<br>> any time by Safaricom. The equivalent of Paybill is your organisation<br>> Point of Sale or better still ERP.<br>> 2. Small players don't need to worry as far as VAT is concerned. If<br>> your annual turnover is below five million Kenyan shillings, you are<br>> not required to register for VAT<br>> <br>> On 10/05/2016, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br>> > Don't forget - KRA already collects tax on m-pesa transactions - if<br>> > Bob is listening here, perhaps he can tell us just how much this is!<br>> ><br>> > There is also the question of how much time and effort is spent (at<br>> > what cost to the taxpayer!) chasing after all the small 'Lipa na<br>> > m-pesa' dukas.<br>> ><br>> > There is a point where some taxes are not worth collecting - ie.<br>> > costing more to administer and collect than the amount collected -<br>> > case in point - road tax<br>> ><br>> > Does KRA already have powers, without notice, to examine our bank<br>> > transaction records? Neither should they get into mobile money<br>> > transactions without a court order!<br>> ><br>> > Cheers from a very wet Kwale County ;)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 10/05/2016, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet<br>> > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br>> >> Thinking exactly the same thing.. Ali.<br>> >><br>> >> It is extremely surprising to me that the privacy issue has not been<br>> >> mentioned at all in all this. Even in the article. As Kenyans we tend to<br>> >> not understand how crucial privacy is. Especially in the context of what<br>> >> is<br>> >> going to go on here.<br>> >><br>> >> This is the exact same issue that has put governments in the west at a<br>> >> great pain to explain their *secretive* involvement in yet here we are<br>> >> comfortably going *public* about it.<br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <<br>> >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> This is a great initiative to expand the tax bracket. Im just curious<br>> >>> how<br>> >>> this will be achieved considering the slippery slope that will be<br>> >>> encountered on Privacy issues.<br>> >>><br>> >>> *Ali Hussein*<br>> >>><br>> >>> *Principal*<br>> >>><br>> >>> *Hussein & Associates*<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Tel: +254 713 601113<br>> >>><br>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>> >>><br>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo<br>> >>><br>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<br>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely<br>> >>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the<br>> >>> organizations that I work with.<br>> >>><br>> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <<br>> >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>> @Grace B, do we have a law that would facilitate this? Or is KRA being<br>> >>>> over enthusiastic? How much would they really net in guys transacting a<br>> >>>> few<br>> >>>> thousands?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> ------------------------------<br>> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 14:09:05 +0300<br>> >>>> Subject: [kictanet] KRA's radical plan to catch tax cheats<br>> >>>> From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> >>>> CC: nmutungu@gmail.com<br>> >>>> To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Listers,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> KRA is targeting mobile money as part of the agency’s financial data<br>> >>>> gathering scheme that is meant to monitor businesses and individuals who<br>> >>>> are not paying their fair share of taxes.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> People familiar with the plan said the taxman is at an advanced stage of<br>> >>>> rolling out a number crunching mechanism that will use electronic data<br>> >>>> to<br>> >>>> suggest incomes of those using mobile money to pay bills and make<br>> >>>> purchases.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Full article here:<br>> >>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/KRA-radical-plan-to-catch-tax-cheats/-/996/3196496/-/brq96h/-/index.html<br>> >>>> --<br>> >>>> Grace L.N. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>> >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>> >>>> development.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>> >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>> >>>> bandwidth,<br>> >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,<br>> >>>> do<br>> >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> kictanet mailing list<br>> >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<br>> >>><br>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>> >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com<br>> >>><br>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>> >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>> >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>> >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>> >>> development.<br>> >>><br>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>> >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>> >>> bandwidth,<br>> >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>> >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> *Ahmed Maawy*<br>> >> Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO)<br>> >> Ambassador - Open Knowledge<br>> >> Director - Startup Grind Mombasa<br>> >> Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer<br>> >> (KE) +254 714 960 627<br>> >> Skype: ultimateprogramer<br>> >><br>> >> swahilibox.co.ke<br>> >> www.okfn.org <http://okfn.org/><br>> >> startupgrind.com<br>> >> ajplus.net<br>> >> www.everylayer.com<br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Tony White<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > kictanet mailing list<br>> > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<br>> ><br>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafrica.com<br>> ><br>> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for<br>> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>> ><br>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,<br>> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> ______________________<br>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br>> twitter.com/lordmwesh<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> kictanet mailing list<br>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<br>> <br>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lnjogu%40hotmail.com<br>> <br>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>> <br>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br></div> </div></body>
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