[kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya

Mon Jan 11 12:45:57 EAT 2016

But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy
and the zillion of other content delivery portals?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to
> regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as
> its for public consumption, i.e, mass media.
>
> On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to
> establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self
> regulation already in place.
>
> On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception
> should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> +1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix.
>>
>> You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes
>> mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes,
>> we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become
>> irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what
>> comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they
>> cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms
>> in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push
>> it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of
>> course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship
>> issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and
>> Asia.
>>
>> One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our
>> social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our
>> laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn.
>>
>> Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB.
>>
>> On 11/01/2016, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> > So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the
>> cards in
>> > the coming months?
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers
>> on
>> > the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they
>> are
>> > in a boardroom and what not.
>> >
>> > Muchiri
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they
>> are
>> >> meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are
>> willing
>> >> to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
>> >>
>> >> Ali Hussein
>> >> Principal
>> >> Hussein & Associates
>> >> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>> >>
>> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >> Skype: abu-jomo
>> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >> Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
>> >>
>> >> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> >> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> @Gichuki,
>> >>> I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to
>> get
>> >>> a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and
>> >>> international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rgds
>> >>> GG
>> >>>
>> >>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300
>> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
>> >>> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>> CC: chuksjonia at gmail.com <mailto:chuksjonia at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com <mailto:ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not
>> >>> understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can
>> >>> someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to
>> sit
>> >>> in their board meetings.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
>> >>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> The more things change...
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali Hussein
>> >>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi at at.co.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ngigi at at.co.ke>> wrote:
>> >>> :-) Thought so too...
>> >>>
>> >>> And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never
>> regulated?
>> >>> Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents
>> >>> etc
>> >>>
>> >>> And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday*
>> and
>> >>> on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
>> >>>
>> >>> Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you
>> >>> be...! :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> @Walu,
>> >>> Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that
>> >>> *list*
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>> >>> :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC
>> is a
>> >>> major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali Hussein
>> >>> Principal
>> >>> Hussein & Associates
>> >>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>> >>>
>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >>>
>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> >>>
>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> >>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ngigi at at.co.ke>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali,
>> >>>
>> >>> Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever
>> remember
>> >>> an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
>> >>>
>> >>> I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with
>> the
>> >>> dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of
>> >>> insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo
>> >>> lame)
>> >>>
>> >>> In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to
>> >>> mess with our morals :-)..."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>> >>> Ngigi
>> >>>
>> >>> Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
>> >>>
>> >>> What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been
>> >>> unable to Regulate torrents?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali Hussein
>> >>> Principal
>> >>> Hussein & Associates
>> >>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>> >>>
>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >>>
>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> >>>
>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> >>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ngigi at at.co.ke>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya
>> without
>> >>> having to use those VPN accounts...
>> >>>
>> >>> Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be
>> regulated?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in
>> Kenya
>> >>> by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require
>> >>> regulation?
>> >>>
>> >>> Rgds
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke
>> >>> <mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>> >>> Ngigi
>> >>>
>> >>> Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
>> >>>
>> >>> Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ali Hussein
>> >>> Principal
>> >>> Hussein & Associates
>> >>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>> >>>
>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >>>
>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> >>>
>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> >>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
>> >>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Listers,
>> >>>
>> >>> I just came across this
>> >>>
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjected-to-local-rating-standards/-/539550/3025624/-/br9ipaz/-/index.html
>> >>> <
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjected-to-local-rating-standards/-/539550/3025624/-/br9ipaz/-/index.html
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to
>> regulate
>> >>> Netflix.
>> >>>
>> >>> I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access
>> >>> it?
>> >>>
>> >>> When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film
>> >>> classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I
>> have
>> >>> ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves
>> >>> KFCB.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> >>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
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