[kictanet] Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
Nanjira Sambuli
nanjira at ihub.co.ke
Mon Feb 29 08:25:20 EAT 2016
Here's a good read:Regulatory Perspectives on Net Neutrality. Touches on zero rating as well:
http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/regulatory-perspectives-on-net-neutrality
Regards,
Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
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> 1. Re: (Barrack Otieno)
> 2. Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
> (Wangari Kabiru)
> 3. Re: Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
> (Baiju Shah)
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:26:37 +0300
> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Cc: Baiju Shah <baiju at telemedia.co.ke>, Nanjira Sambuli
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> Colleagues,
>
> I think we are all right depending on which angle you understand the
> issue of net neutrality. My only problem is that the local
> conversation has largely been driven by assumption. I was once told
> that assumption is the lowest form of knowledge (not sure if this is
> correct). I think we need a factual conversation around Net
> Neutrality, as we wait for Nanjira's study it might be usefull if
> anyone can share Studies that were conducted in other region and
> policy interventions that leveled the playing ground in terms of
> Service Provider, Government and End User (Consumer) expectations.
>
> Thank you
>
> Best Regards
>
>> On 2/27/16, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> My view is simply do we all even understand what we are discussing here? My
>> firm belief here is that we do not even understand what our local market
>> requirements are and therefore the debate.
>> All have to recognise there is s cost of running the network properly and
>> this cost will be shared by the players who use this network yo provide
>> services to the various provider.
>>
>> There needs to be an informed discussion..
>>
>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 19:47, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> I often wonder...
>>>
>>> Would we make the choices we are making about Net Neutrality if we had
>>> never used the Internet before?
>>>
>>> Aren't we making these choices from the PoV of the privileged few? in
>>> Africa who have constant access to the Net to a point where we taking it
>>> for granted?
>>>
>>> ?Is it not similiar to say someone contributing maize to a hungry family
>>> in Kenya and then someone insisting that unless it's a full balanced diet,
>>> there can be no contribution.
>>>
>>> Or is the issue the contributors? The fact that they are commercial firms.
>>>
>>>
>>> We have had Wikipedia free on Airtel for awhile, yet nothing much about
>>> Net Neutrality has been said....
>>>
>>> This thing is quite a mind twister...
>>>
>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>
>>> Alliance Technologies
>>> www.at.co.ke
>>> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> To: Ngigi Waithaka
>>> Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
>>>
>>> Good analogy Kivuva.
>>>
>>> Ali Hussein
>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>
>>>> On Feb 27, 2016 11:59 AM, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Let us debate on the notion of "bread" ? alone.
>>>>
>>>> We all know lack of a balanced diet brings kwashiorkor. And it brings
>>>> stunted growth too. Forget zika virus, normal children in Africa get
>>>> smaller brains because of the stunted growth.
>>>>
>>>> Take that analogy and compare it to the malnutritioned internet being
>>>> paraded around. Out children too will develop intellectual Kwashiorkor
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2016 10:17 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> Ebele
>>>>>
>>>>> It has to do with the issue of Third Party Liability.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "Ebele Okobi" <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have
>>>>>> to do with net neutrality?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nanjira
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My
>>>>>>> concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be
>>>>>>> Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a
>>>>>>> simplistic way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep
>>>>>>> conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO
>>>>>>> announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending'
>>>>>>> video of same sex marriage/love endorsement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of
>>>>>>> homosexuality!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our
>>>>>>> total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT
>>>>>>> Forum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same
>>>>>>> tools have been used by other governments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not
>>>>>>> to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up
>>>>>>> with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include
>>>>>>> abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet
>>>>>>> companies. This will be a recipe for disaster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>>>>> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view.
>>>>>>>> It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is
>>>>>>>> not a first world problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Nanjira.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 07:44, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Net neutrality 'first world' problem? (Ali Hussein)
>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 12:06:14 +0300
> From: Wangari Kabiru <wangarikabiru at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Liz <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: [kictanet] Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world'
> problem?
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> Happy Saturday!
>
> We've got to be a demand to ourselves and our communities to be a stand for more and not just enough or just a shot!
>
> Nairobi and Kenya is touted all over as the innovation hub. This thinking if adopted by all of us will only not keep us there or at best will keep us as a testing hub in the name of an innovative hub.
>
> Secondly, using all the experiences of the so called first world, how might we catapult our growth versus just following suite? We must be able to create our own trail, not just accept a few shots to get high on.
>
> Half a loaf theorem is really killing our people. There is evidence all over- Traditional NGO speak. What does it take to have the whole loaf and icing cake too. In other words the highest potential experience from the onset.
>
> While we credit efforts by different players to meet community challenges such as nusu internet, the big brother herein Government must own the bigger vision and responsibility.
>
> For all it is worth, we are in dire need of all the exposed brains to not be satisfied with just enough even in this evolving ICTs field.
>
> Blessed day.
>
> Regard/Wangari On Feb 26, 2016 21:43, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting read.
>>
>> http://mgafrica.com/article/2016-02-24-africa-internet-access-more-important-for-africa-than-net-neutrality-which-is-a-first-world-problem/
>>
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>> Best regards.
>> Liz.
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> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:43:14 +0300
> From: Baiju Shah <baiju at telemedia.co.ke>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world'
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> Hi Wangari,
>
> Issue here is cultural and therefore we seem to accept sub standard products.
>
> Further we compare sub standard products with high quality products.
>
> Then we have the issue of get rich quick.
>
> This makes us accept poor products.
>
> Best Regards,
> Baiju
>
>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 12:06, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Happy Saturday!
>>
>> We've got to be a demand to ourselves and our communities to be a stand for more and not just enough or just a shot!
>>
>> Nairobi and Kenya is touted all over as the innovation hub. This thinking if adopted by all of us will only not keep us there or at best will keep us as a testing hub in the name of an innovative hub.
>>
>> Secondly, using all the experiences of the so called first world, how might we catapult our growth versus just following suite? We must be able to create our own trail, not just accept a few shots to get high on.
>>
>> Half a loaf theorem is really killing our people. There is evidence all over- Traditional NGO speak. What does it take to have the whole loaf and icing cake too. In other words the highest potential experience from the onset.
>>
>> While we credit efforts by different players to meet community challenges such as nusu internet, the big brother herein Government must own the bigger vision and responsibility.
>>
>> For all it is worth, we are in dire need of all the exposed brains to not be satisfied with just enough even in this evolving ICTs field.
>>
>> Blessed day.
>>
>> Regard/Wangari
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2016 21:43, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting read.
>>
>> http://mgafrica.com/article/2016-02-24-africa-internet-access-more-important-for-africa-than-net-neutrality-which-is-a-first-world-problem/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards.
>> Liz.
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