[kictanet] On homosexuality and Information Controls: Laws and Culture

[Barrack Otieno]

My point exactly Mose,

Great Britain was partly a product of the likes of William Wilberforce
who spearheaded the the reformation of manners that castigated among
other things ownership of another human being the so called 'slave
trade'. I guess we need more of such men in this age if we are achieve
vision 2030 and other national aspirations.

However i agree with you we are in a different dispensation.

On 2/24/16, Mose Karanja <mosekaranja at gmail.com> wrote:
> Barrack,
> Unfortunately, value systems are more often than not the reflection of the
> wishes of the majority. This does not mean they are wrong. In most cases
> they are actually favourable for all involved. However, when the practice
> and success of those value systems implies the subordination of the values
> of minorities, then such a society is not strengthening its social fabric.
> It is setting itself up for eventual collapse.
>
> Before 1807, it was perfectly legal to buy and sell humans and use them as
> slaves. That was the value system then. Then it stopped, albeit gradually.
> As someone who has a twin, if we were born 100 years earlier in some African
> communities, we would have been killed because twins were considered a
> curse, based on their value systems. It was the US value system that women
> should not by default vote. Then it changed in 1920. It was the value and
> legal system here in Kenya before 1963 that Black Kenyans could not own
> property or live in some parts of their country. Then it changed.
>
> The point I am trying to make Barrack is, value systems do not necessarily
> speak of the wishes of everyone. If the oppressed find opportunities to
> reverse this and seek equality, then they do it (Civil Rights Movements,
> AntiSlave Trade, Equal Marriage Act, Fight for Independence…).
> Some things start off as taboos, gradually get accepted, get to be high
> fashion, lose the shine and become cultural artefacts. I think this is what
> our treatment of the LGBTQ citizens is at this point.
>
> I am a firm believer in a fair world for all. The Internet is a great
> enabler. We should not take it away from whom it means something, sometimes
> life and death.
>
> PS: pole about the matatu madness on the road. Now, those are folks who
> think might is right. Their value system is oppressive.
>
> Moses
>
>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Moses,
>>
>> It goes back to our value systems as a Nation, what is considered
>> moral offline should be considered moral online and vice versa. I
>> think the mandate of the Kenya Film Classification Board is very clear
>> and is based on our constitution and should be debated against that.
>>
>> The Internet is just a tool even though we try to ascribe a lot of
>> fanciness to it, it can be used to build or to destroy communities and
>> nations. It is upon us to decide whether we want to hide under
>> philosophical arguments or strengthen the value systems in our society
>> which will in turn strengthen the very society we live in, we cannot
>> hide our heads in the sand and accept everything that comes our way.
>>
>> Over the weekend my car was hit while stationary in a traffic jam by a
>> Matatu being driven by 'cool' young men. They bullied me to make way
>> for their vehicle since they were in a hurry, the worst part is they
>> never stopped to apologize even after damaging my car, fellow Kenyans
>> on the road found this unacceptable and  asked me to pursue the young
>> men and have a word with them, i succeed in blocking them and found
>> myself in a situation i did not anticipate. The driver was a childhood
>> friend totally intoxicated and indulging in the same drug abuse as he
>> was driving carrying 33 passengers, i will not even talk about the
>> blaring music whose content we are all aware of. To make it worse the
>> drove through two police checks with approximately seven policemen.
>>
>> I suppose that is the Kenya we want, but we need to pose and reflect
>> on our Social Fabric.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 2/24/16, Mose Karanja via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
>>> Hello listers,
>>>
>>> The Internet has been a great platform for sexual minorities and those
>>> who
>>> work to defend their rights for organization, support groups and as safe
>>> haven from hostile offline environments. The video clip in question was
>>> uploaded, not sold on the streets of Nairobi, in part because the
>>> Internet
>>> is a safer platform for the LGBTQ community.
>>>
>>> My thinking on this is not even a question of legality but rather about
>>> the
>>> cultural expectations we have in our country on this topic. If tomorrow
>>> the
>>> LGBTQ community successfully lodged a constitutional case on the
>>> illegality
>>> of the clauses incriminating their very identity, the people they live
>>> with
>>> in their neighbourhoods, schools, churches and mosques would not accept
>>> them
>>> overnight. It will take time and immense effort to build a critical mass
>>> who
>>> take our brothers and sisters who are sexual minorities as human beings.
>>> As
>>> human rights defenders, out role should then be to keep the Internet as
>>> that
>>> safe haven for the LGBTQ.
>>>
>>> Moses.
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 12:23 PM, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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>>>>  1. Re: Films board gives Google a week to take down gay song
>>>>     video - Corporate News (Mildred Achoch)
>>>>  2. Re: Films board gives Google a week to take down gay song
>>>>     video - Corporate News (simiyu mse)
>>>>
>>>> From: Mildred Achoch <mildandred at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Films board gives Google a week to take down
>>>> gay
>>>> song video - Corporate News
>>>> Date: February 24, 2016 at 11:59:52 AM EAT
>>>> To: simiyu mse <kensimiyu at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Let me ask some questions in an attempt to answer your question (and at
>>>> the risk of opening a can of worms)
>>>>
>>>> 1. Note: I don't know the details of the laws regarding homosexuality
>>>> in
>>>> Kenya. My question is: in Kenya, is it illegal to practice
>>>> homosexuality
>>>> or is it illegal to BE a homosexual?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Related to the above question, as an artist/creative/content
>>>> producer
>>>> whose role in society is to hold up a mirror using my art, is it
>>>> illegal
>>>> to portray what is already happening in society? Crime is illegal yet
>>>> Nairobi Halflife was not banned. :-)
>>>>
>>>> It goes back to the muddy issue of morality. It seems in Kenya, some
>>>> crimes are deemed more hazardous than others and these skewed views
>>>> trickle down to censorship parameters.
>>>>
>>>> The issue of obeying the laws of the land is also muddy, especially in
>>>> this age of globalization. Is my online TV channel, which is available
>>>> only on the Internet, hosted by a foreign country and with majority of
>>>> viewers being non-Kenyans, subject to the laws of Kenya (only)?
>>>>
>>>> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
>>>> http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:31 AM, simiyu mse <kensimiyu at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:kensimiyu at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:kensimiyu at gmail.com <mailto:kensimiyu at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Mildred.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent points and just as you said, if you support the infringement
>>>> of
>>>> one's right then its only a matter of time before the axe is trained on
>>>> yours.
>>>>
>>>> However, there is the element of promoting something that is illegal.
>>>> Homosexuality is currently illegal in the country. The morality angle
>>>> may
>>>> be abit vague based on it's subjective nature but in terms of legality
>>>> it
>>>> is as clear as night and day.
>>>>
>>>> Whats your take on the matter being an online media stakeholder?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>
>>>> ./ken
>>>>
>>>> The major problem is that there is no clear line as to what "morality"
>>>> is.
>>>> Each individual, each government has their take on what is moral. So
>>>> who's
>>>> right is it to say what is right and what is wrong? I do my best to
>>>> support the freedom of even those whose opinions I do not agree with.
>>>> Because when someone else's freedom is infringed upon then it's just a
>>>> matter of time before my freedom is also infringed upon.
>>>>
>>>> My very personal and biased answers to the questions asked:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>>
>>>> In one word: yes. On the internet, the individual has more freedom to
>>>> "switch off" what they don't want to view. Plus there are ways in which
>>>> content providers can place restrictions so that minors etc cannot have
>>>> access to controversial content. This is very personal to me because I
>>>> currently have an online TV channel that shows content (rock music
>>>> videos)
>>>> that would normally not be shown on Kenyan TV.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>>> do
>>>> our duty?
>>>>
>>>> In one word: no. The answer to this question is in the question :-)
>>>> Parents/Caregivers need to do their duty.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are
>>>> precedents
>>>> here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic Al-Shabaab
>>>> videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the video -
>>>> Innocence of Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I have never watched nor plan to ever watch graphic Al-Shabaab videos
>>>> but
>>>> I still don't think they should have been taken down. Censorship is
>>>> censorship. Today it will be graphic Al-Shabaab videos, tomorrow it
>>>> will
>>>> be "graphic" rock 'n' roll videos. Even graphic videos have a story to
>>>> tell, a lesson to teach, a warning to give.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents :-)
>>>>
>>>> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
>>>> http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/>
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Listers
>>>>
>>>> This may be of interest.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/>
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>>index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>>
>>>> It has become increasingly important for we as a nation to define our
>>>> parameters when it comes to content.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>>> do
>>>> our duty?
>>>>
>>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are
>>>> precedents
>>>> here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic Al-Shabaab
>>>> videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the video -
>>>> Innocence of Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect there's no easy answer to these pressing issues.
>>>>
>>>> Net Neutrality  is becoming an issue that needs our attention - and
>>>> quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
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>>>> From: simiyu mse <kensimiyu at gmail.com <mailto:kensimiyu at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Films board gives Google a week to take down
>>>> gay
>>>> song video - Corporate News
>>>> Date: February 24, 2016 at 9:31:54 AM EAT
>>>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mildred.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent points and just as you said, if you support the infringement
>>>> of
>>>> one's right then its only a matter of time before the axe is trained on
>>>> yours.
>>>>
>>>> However, there is the element of promoting something that is illegal.
>>>> Homosexuality is currently illegal in the country. The morality angle
>>>> may
>>>> be abit vague based on it's subjective nature but in terms of legality
>>>> it
>>>> is as clear as night and day.
>>>>
>>>> Whats your take on the matter being an online media stakeholder?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>
>>>> ./ken
>>>>
>>>> The major problem is that there is no clear line as to what "morality"
>>>> is.
>>>> Each individual, each government has their take on what is moral. So
>>>> who's
>>>> right is it to say what is right and what is wrong? I do my best to
>>>> support the freedom of even those whose opinions I do not agree with.
>>>> Because when someone else's freedom is infringed upon then it's just a
>>>> matter of time before my freedom is also infringed upon.
>>>>
>>>> My very personal and biased answers to the questions asked:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>>
>>>> In one word: yes. On the internet, the individual has more freedom to
>>>> "switch off" what they don't want to view. Plus there are ways in which
>>>> content providers can place restrictions so that minors etc cannot have
>>>> access to controversial content. This is very personal to me because I
>>>> currently have an online TV channel that shows content (rock music
>>>> videos)
>>>> that would normally not be shown on Kenyan TV.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>>> do
>>>> our duty?
>>>>
>>>> In one word: no. The answer to this question is in the question :-)
>>>> Parents/Caregivers need to do their duty.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are
>>>> precedents
>>>> here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic Al-Shabaab
>>>> videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the video -
>>>> Innocence of Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I have never watched nor plan to ever watch graphic Al-Shabaab videos
>>>> but
>>>> I still don't think they should have been taken down. Censorship is
>>>> censorship. Today it will be graphic Al-Shabaab videos, tomorrow it
>>>> will
>>>> be "graphic" rock 'n' roll videos. Even graphic videos have a story to
>>>> tell, a lesson to teach, a warning to give.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents :-)
>>>>
>>>> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
>>>> http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/>
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/
>>>> <http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com/>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Listers
>>>>
>>>> This may be of interest.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/>
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>>index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>>
>>>> It has become increasingly important for we as a nation to define our
>>>> parameters when it comes to content.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>>> do
>>>> our duty?
>>>>
>>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are
>>>> precedents
>>>> here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic Al-Shabaab
>>>> videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the video -
>>>> Innocence of Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect there's no easy answer to these pressing issues.
>>>>
>>>> Net Neutrality  is becoming an issue that needs our attention - and
>>>> quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
>>>>
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