[kictanet] Films board gives Google a week to take down gay song video - Corporate News

Wed Feb 24 10:52:58 EAT 2016

@Mo, it may be that we are not very clear as to what the law is as regards
content, much less content online. And while there are some laws in the
books, we seem to have chosen not not strictly implement them because
morality is not a cut and dry standard.
This particular case is interesting because bottom line, it regards one
interpretation of the legality of homosexuality. Which brings us to the
question of process. If a person (individual or corporate) is aggrieved by
content, especially in a situation where there is no rough consensus as to
whether such content is illegal, offensive or otherwise, how should we deal
with that? Who should interpret the legality of content?
In a roundabout answer to Ali's questions, maybe this kind of policing
should have involved a judicial process (but not necessarily affidavits:).
Regards,

2016-02-24 10:06 GMT+03:00 Mo Maina via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:

> Hello listers,
>
> Should this discussion instead focus on Google/Youtube obeying the laws of
> the land in which they operate?
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube_videos_in_Germany
> for an example where some music videos on Youtube cannot be viewed in
> Germany because of copyright disputes.
> Second, is it necessary to talk of taking down the video when access in
> Kenya can be blocked since it violates the law?
>
> Regards,
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> The root cause of all this problem is the concept of universal moral
>> values and individual moral values - the difference between a tolerating
>> party and an imposing party. I think countries (and even corporations) need
>> to do more of tolerate the individual moral values more than impose a
>> universal moral code.
>>
>> That said if we owned a video platform that would export content that is
>> not deemed suitable for a bigger nation like the US, they would outright
>> reject the content. I think to the same degree that needs to be paid back
>> to other consumers for content coming out of the US.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> The major problem is that there is no clear line as to what "morality"
>>> is. Each individual, each government has their take on what is moral. So
>>> who's right is it to say what is right and what is wrong? I do my best to
>>> support the freedom of even those whose opinions I do not agree with.
>>> Because when someone else's freedom is infringed upon then it's just a
>>> matter of time before my freedom is also infringed upon.
>>>
>>> My very personal and biased answers to the questions asked:
>>>
>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>
>>> In one word: yes. On the internet, the individual has more freedom to
>>> "switch off" what they don't want to view. Plus there are ways in which
>>> content providers can place restrictions so that minors etc cannot have
>>> access to controversial content. This is very personal to me because I
>>> currently have an online TV channel that shows content (rock music videos)
>>> that would normally not be shown on Kenyan TV.
>>>
>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>> do our duty?
>>>
>>> In one word: no. The answer to this question is in the question :-)
>>> Parents/Caregivers need to do their duty.
>>>
>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are precedents
>>> here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic Al-Shabaab
>>> videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the video -
>>> Innocence of Muslims.
>>>
>>> I have never watched nor plan to ever watch graphic Al-Shabaab videos
>>> but I still don't think they should have been taken down. Censorship is
>>> censorship. Today it will be graphic Al-Shabaab videos, tomorrow it will be
>>> "graphic" rock 'n' roll videos. Even graphic videos have a story to tell, a
>>> lesson to teach, a warning to give.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents :-)
>>>
>>> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
>>> http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Listers
>>>>
>>>> This may be of interest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>
>>>> index.html
>>>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Films-board-gives-Google-a-week-to-take-down-gay-song-video/-/539550/3089994/-/v8r0e2z/-/index.html>
>>>>
>>>> It has become increasingly important for we as a nation to define our
>>>> parameters when it comes to content.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Should we allow content online that we wouldn't even think about
>>>> showing in our sitting rooms and public places?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Should the government be the morality cop when we as parents fail to
>>>> do our duty?
>>>>
>>>> 3. Where does third party liability start and stop? There are
>>>> precedents here by the way where Google has actually taken down graphic
>>>> Al-Shabaab videos and the US Government ordering Google to take down the
>>>> video - Innocence of Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect there's no easy answer to these pressing issues.
>>>>
>>>> Net Neutrality  is becoming an issue that needs our attention - and
>>>> quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
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