[kictanet] 7th Edition of Diplo Internet Governance Book
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
chemukoechk at gmail.com
Sat Dec 10 20:11:43 EAT 2016
Thanks for sharing!
On 10 Dec 2016 18:18, "Bonface Witaba via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Hi Listers,
>
> For those interested in the latest edition of Diplo IG book, kindly follow
> the link:
> https://www.diplomacy.edu/sites/default/files/AnIntroductiontoIG_7th%
> 20edition.pdf
>
> Kind regards
> Bonface Witaba
>
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> 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts
> Right (JImmy Gitonga)
> 2. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts
> Right (JImmy Gitonga)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:04:03 +0300
> From: JImmy Gitonga <jimmygitts at gmail.com>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the
> Facts Right
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> Mr. Kamotho wa Njenga,
>
> Here are my concerns.
>
> It is clear we all agree on that quacks should not be present in the
> industry. The word 'quack' is largely used the medical fraternity for
> people who look like doctors, act like doctors and talk like doctors. We
> have had of a few of these cases in this country. And the medical field
> does have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board. So we can
> also agree that quacks are not done away with boards or bills that are set
> up to make sure only certified practitioners were in the field. Quacks
> appear do to a different problem.
>
> then there is the matter of PART III - REGISTRATION OF ICT PRACTITIONERS in
> the proposed bill.
>
> 15. A person shall be eligible for registration under this Act as an ICT
> practitioner if the person -
> ...
> (d) satisfies the Council that he or she is a person of good moral
> character and a fit and proper person to be registered under this Act.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 7:25 AM, <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
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> >
> > 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts
> > Right (Ali Hussein)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:23:23 +0300
> > From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the
> > Facts Right
> > Message-ID: <8AEC01A2-6299-42D5-8E15-001028BAD0EE at hussein.me.ke>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Kamotho
> >
> > Personal attacks will not deter me or others from saying it as it is:-
> >
> > That the very idea of this bill is flawed - Democracy followed or not.
> >
> > I would like to address your claims/comments one by one:-
> >
> > 1. I didn't attend meetings hence I have given my 'representatives' a raw
> > deal. Firstly I do not claim that I was anointed. When we first attended
> > (Grace Bomu, Walubengo and Myself) the meeting at KEPSA to discuss this
> > bill and it's implications we simply said we were Kictaneters and were
> > there as such. Anyone else on this list was free to attend as this
> meeting
> > was discussed on the list. I or Grace Bomu attended several meetings
> > including the one which was chaired by John Omo at CCK and the
> > Parliamentary Committee meeting where you also attended. Subsequently I
> > contributed substantially to online discussions between the then
> 'Coalition
> > of the willing' which comprised of KICTANet members, Bake, KEPSA, MOICT
> and
> > iHub. The fact that I didn't attend some physical meetings doesn't at all
> > negate my participation and contribution. However, that I do not need to
> > justify to you. I'm merely putting forward my thoughts.
> >
> > Who do you represent Kamotho? Since this issue of representation is a
> door
> > you have opened. Who is ICTAK? A quick look at the website doesn't tell
> me
> > much as to who are the bona fide members and officials of the
> Association,
> > when were they elected/appointed, how long is their term and when is the
> > next election or appointments? How about the management?
> >
> > http://www.ictak.or.ke/
> >
> > The reason I ask this is since you or ICTAK to be specific purport to
> > represent the ICT Community in this country then proof of mandate is
> > important don't you think?
> >
> > A quick cursory search online to look at how such associations operate
> > took me to this site:-
> >
> > http://www.aiita.org/ of the All India IT Association. The information
> > there in is instructive. From the Board of Directors to Management, this
> > information is missing on the ICTAK site,
> >
> > Or ISACA (https://www.isaca.org/) whose local chapter holds regular
> > elections.
> >
> > Or the U.K IT Association (http://members.ukita.co.uk/
> > index.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=48&key=
> > d804decf5d06e74e2b30819cd84db9e8&Itemid=66) which holds annual AGMs.
> >
> > 2. On point 2 I begin by quoting you on your email:-
> >
> > 'Deliberations proceeded in good faith. Needless to state, this Bill like
> > any other is not a matter of life and death.'
> >
> > My brother, for some of us IT IS a matter of life and death. Imagine
> > waking up one morning and you have been legislated out of your profession
> > or business because of an organization that purports to represent you
> and a
> > government that is supposed to be a 'Digital Government' sitting by as a
> > bystander and seemingly powerless to defend the very people they have
> been
> > purporting to protect, defend and promote.
> >
> > You like any other Kenyan has a right to promote any bill whatsoever. In
> > the same breath, I and any other Kenyan has a right to oppose it if we
> feel
> > it will curb our ability to earn a decent living and protect our
> families.
> > Make no mistake about it this bill is a matter of life and death for some
> > of us.
> >
> > 3. Another quote from you to emphasize my point on my hardline stand.
> >
> > 'Parliament would be within its mandate to pass the Bill intact, to amend
> > it or to reject it altogether.'
> >
> > So why then are we wasting time in deliberations? Why legitimize a
> process
> > so that you guys can go back and say 'We consulted and hence this bill
> is a
> > good place to start and has the blessings of the community.' I'm sure I'm
> > speaking to the majority listers when I say this is unfair and flawed.
> >
> > This country has a habit of using certain clauses of our new constitution
> > to justify nefarious actions, we will simply not stand for it and be seen
> > to be powerless or do anything about it. One that is used to devastating
> > effect is this issue of public participation. WCIT12, Dubai, is still
> fresh
> > in my mind where the previous ICT Ministry officials led by Dr. Ndemo was
> > instrumental in engaging all stakeholders in crafting a Multi-Stakeholder
> > Position on ITRs. This position was then changed by the new regime that
> > replaced Dr. Ndemo. They did not even have the decency to inform the
> > community. This impunity must stop. Government is supposed to represent
> the
> > people and when this is abused it is a serious matter indeed. Some
> history
> > here is important:-
> >
> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2012-December/018900.html
> >
> > And if I speak alone on this so be it because Tyranny is Tyranny whether
> > it is executed by a minority or a majority.
> >
> > 4. To quote you..again:-
> >
> > My humble understanding is that KICTANet is a serious platform where
> > listers are at liberty to exchange ideas that are supportive of ICT
> > sectoral progress. To this end wisdom should flow unfettered. This
> imposes
> > a responsibility to ensure that information supplied is factual, evidence
> > based and not merely driven by a passion for online flamboyance. In the
> > alternative, this forum could easily degenerate to mediocrity of
> > proportions only comparable to that of third rate blogs. God forbid!
> >
> > Indeed Ndugu Kamotho. The fact that we disagree and can express ourselves
> > in the very list where the majority who have contributed to this
> discussion
> > have opposed this bill is in itself a testament to the maturity that
> > listers have demonstrated. If at any time I have come across as
> opinionated
> > it is because sometimes I am. :-) It is a flaw that I work hard every day
> > to tamper. I am after all human. :-) and I do apologize to anyone that I
> > might have rubbed the wrong way. Including you my brother. I believe that
> > we are mature enough to enjoy a mug of Malindi Macchiato (my favorite
> drink
> > at Java) and are free to disagree over it? :-)
> >
> > 5. Lastly the ICT CS, Government Spokesperson have been categorical
> > publicly in rejecting this bill.
> >
> > http://cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/government-of-kenya-
> > rejects-ict-practitioners-bill#
> >
> > Positions may have changed since then and it is the onus of this
> > government to tell us if in fact their position has changed, what
> > precipitated it and what is the new position.
> >
> > Ali Hussein
> > Principal
> > Hussein & Associates
> > +254 0713 601113
> >
> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
> > Skype: abu-jomo
> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> >
> >
> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
> > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > ******************************************
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> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:12:20 +0300
> From: JImmy Gitonga <jimmygitts at gmail.com>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the
> Facts Right
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> Question: What mechanisms are going to be used to ascertain that a person
> meets the requirements of 15(d)?
>
> My question is based on the possibility is that the Council could decide to
> arbitrarily choose any one to be a practitioner based on any criteria
> chosen by the Council. We would be led to believe that the people sitting
> in the council are of "good moral character and a fit and proper" to pass
> fair judgement. In Kenya, what does that statement mean?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:04 PM, JImmy Gitonga <jimmygitts at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mr. Kamotho wa Njenga,
> >
> > Here are my concerns.
> >
> > It is clear we all agree on that quacks should not be present in the
> > industry. The word 'quack' is largely used the medical fraternity for
> > people who look like doctors, act like doctors and talk like doctors. We
> > have had of a few of these cases in this country. And the medical field
> > does have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board. So we can
> > also agree that quacks are not done away with boards or bills that are
> set
> > up to make sure only certified practitioners were in the field. Quacks
> > appear do to a different problem.
> >
> > then there is the matter of PART III - REGISTRATION OF ICT PRACTITIONERS
> > in the proposed bill.
> >
> > 15. A person shall be eligible for registration under this Act as an ICT
> > practitioner if the person -
> > ...
> > (d) satisfies the Council that he or she is a person of good moral
> > character and a fit and proper person to be registered under this Act.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 7:25 AM, <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to
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> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts
> >> Right (Ali Hussein)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:23:23 +0300
> >> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the
> >> Facts Right
> >> Message-ID: <8AEC01A2-6299-42D5-8E15-001028BAD0EE at hussein.me.ke>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Kamotho
> >>
> >> Personal attacks will not deter me or others from saying it as it is:-
> >>
> >> That the very idea of this bill is flawed - Democracy followed or not.
> >>
> >> I would like to address your claims/comments one by one:-
> >>
> >> 1. I didn't attend meetings hence I have given my 'representatives' a
> raw
> >> deal. Firstly I do not claim that I was anointed. When we first attended
> >> (Grace Bomu, Walubengo and Myself) the meeting at KEPSA to discuss this
> >> bill and it's implications we simply said we were Kictaneters and were
> >> there as such. Anyone else on this list was free to attend as this
> meeting
> >> was discussed on the list. I or Grace Bomu attended several meetings
> >> including the one which was chaired by John Omo at CCK and the
> >> Parliamentary Committee meeting where you also attended. Subsequently I
> >> contributed substantially to online discussions between the then
> 'Coalition
> >> of the willing' which comprised of KICTANet members, Bake, KEPSA, MOICT
> and
> >> iHub. The fact that I didn't attend some physical meetings doesn't at
> all
> >> negate my participation and contribution. However, that I do not need to
> >> justify to you. I'm merely putting forward my thoughts.
> >>
> >> Who do you represent Kamotho? Since this issue of representation is a
> >> door you have opened. Who is ICTAK? A quick look at the website doesn't
> >> tell me much as to who are the bona fide members and officials of the
> >> Association, when were they elected/appointed, how long is their term
> and
> >> when is the next election or appointments? How about the management?
> >>
> >> http://www.ictak.or.ke/
> >>
> >> The reason I ask this is since you or ICTAK to be specific purport to
> >> represent the ICT Community in this country then proof of mandate is
> >> important don't you think?
> >>
> >> A quick cursory search online to look at how such associations operate
> >> took me to this site:-
> >>
> >> http://www.aiita.org/ of the All India IT Association. The information
> >> there in is instructive. From the Board of Directors to Management, this
> >> information is missing on the ICTAK site,
> >>
> >> Or ISACA (https://www.isaca.org/) whose local chapter holds regular
> >> elections.
> >>
> >> Or the U.K IT Association (http://members.ukita.co.uk/in
> >> dex.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=
> >> 48&key=d804decf5d06e74e2b30819cd84db9e8&Itemid=66) which holds annual
> >> AGMs.
> >>
> >> 2. On point 2 I begin by quoting you on your email:-
> >>
> >> 'Deliberations proceeded in good faith. Needless to state, this Bill
> like
> >> any other is not a matter of life and death.'
> >>
> >> My brother, for some of us IT IS a matter of life and death. Imagine
> >> waking up one morning and you have been legislated out of your
> profession
> >> or business because of an organization that purports to represent you
> and a
> >> government that is supposed to be a 'Digital Government' sitting by as a
> >> bystander and seemingly powerless to defend the very people they have
> been
> >> purporting to protect, defend and promote.
> >>
> >> You like any other Kenyan has a right to promote any bill whatsoever. In
> >> the same breath, I and any other Kenyan has a right to oppose it if we
> feel
> >> it will curb our ability to earn a decent living and protect our
> families.
> >> Make no mistake about it this bill is a matter of life and death for
> some
> >> of us.
> >>
> >> 3. Another quote from you to emphasize my point on my hardline stand.
> >>
> >> 'Parliament would be within its mandate to pass the Bill intact, to
> amend
> >> it or to reject it altogether.'
> >>
> >> So why then are we wasting time in deliberations? Why legitimize a
> >> process so that you guys can go back and say 'We consulted and hence
> this
> >> bill is a good place to start and has the blessings of the community.'
> I'm
> >> sure I'm speaking to the majority listers when I say this is unfair and
> >> flawed.
> >>
> >> This country has a habit of using certain clauses of our new
> constitution
> >> to justify nefarious actions, we will simply not stand for it and be
> seen
> >> to be powerless or do anything about it. One that is used to devastating
> >> effect is this issue of public participation. WCIT12, Dubai, is still
> fresh
> >> in my mind where the previous ICT Ministry officials led by Dr. Ndemo
> was
> >> instrumental in engaging all stakeholders in crafting a
> Multi-Stakeholder
> >> Position on ITRs. This position was then changed by the new regime that
> >> replaced Dr. Ndemo. They did not even have the decency to inform the
> >> community. This impunity must stop. Government is supposed to represent
> the
> >> people and when this is abused it is a serious matter indeed. Some
> history
> >> here is important:-
> >>
> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2012-
> December/018900.html
> >>
> >> And if I speak alone on this so be it because Tyranny is Tyranny whether
> >> it is executed by a minority or a majority.
> >>
> >> 4. To quote you..again:-
> >>
> >> My humble understanding is that KICTANet is a serious platform where
> >> listers are at liberty to exchange ideas that are supportive of ICT
> >> sectoral progress. To this end wisdom should flow unfettered. This
> imposes
> >> a responsibility to ensure that information supplied is factual,
> evidence
> >> based and not merely driven by a passion for online flamboyance. In the
> >> alternative, this forum could easily degenerate to mediocrity of
> >> proportions only comparable to that of third rate blogs. God forbid!
> >>
> >> Indeed Ndugu Kamotho. The fact that we disagree and can express
> ourselves
> >> in the very list where the majority who have contributed to this
> discussion
> >> have opposed this bill is in itself a testament to the maturity that
> >> listers have demonstrated. If at any time I have come across as
> opinionated
> >> it is because sometimes I am. :-) It is a flaw that I work hard every
> day
> >> to tamper. I am after all human. :-) and I do apologize to anyone that I
> >> might have rubbed the wrong way. Including you my brother. I believe
> that
> >> we are mature enough to enjoy a mug of Malindi Macchiato (my favorite
> drink
> >> at Java) and are free to disagree over it? :-)
> >>
> >> 5. Lastly the ICT CS, Government Spokesperson have been categorical
> >> publicly in rejecting this bill.
> >>
> >> http://cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/government-of-kenya-rejec
> >> ts-ict-practitioners-bill#
> >>
> >> Positions may have changed since then and it is the onus of this
> >> government to tell us if in fact their position has changed, what
> >> precipitated it and what is the new position.
> >>
> >> Ali Hussein
> >> Principal
> >> Hussein & Associates
> >> +254 0713 601113
> >>
> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> >> Skype: abu-jomo
> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> >>
> >>
> >> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
> >> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> ******************************************
> >>
> >
> >
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