[kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Fri Dec 2 10:01:58 EAT 2016

You are blaming the door for there being break in's in a neighbourhood. or
the small probox for there being potholes (by the same argument, we should
own 4x4's and not tiny vixes which get stuck in muc, its the Car's problem,
not the roads)... see what im driving at?

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Valid reasoning, but if this were in Mars, and there were no people, you
> would come next year and find your bank vault open, and all the currency
> intact. Money doesn't steal itself.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Waithaka Ngigi <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
>> Colins,
>>
>> There's a reason Banks have very well secured vaults.
>>
>> You can't put Billions of Shillings, right outside CBK, then ask GSU to
>> take a break and expect to find the money there after a couple of hours‎.
>>
>> Leaving IFMIS without  any credible security is akin to opening CBKs
>> vaults on Friday and then coming back on Monday to find it empty and then
>> you blame people, people, people!
>>
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>
>> Alliance Technologies
>> www.at.co.ke
>> *From: *Collins Areba
>> *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2016 9:50 AM
>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Cc: *Waithaka Ngigi
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have
>> perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation
>>
>> Dead wrong Waithaka.
>>
>> Its always People people people!
>>
>> Even the best designed systems assume a certain minimum threshold of
>> human order and decency.
>>
>> When the first order of business when a system is implemented is a
>> discussion to brainstorm how to "beat the system", we are way below that
>> threshold.
>>
>> On 2 Dec 2016 09:45, "Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet" <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Ali,
>>>
>>> It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.
>>>
>>> Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not
>>> come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either:
>>> 1. A very, very bad implementation
>>> 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.
>>>
>>> Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for  scapegoats.
>>> Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user
>>> ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password,
>>> for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only
>>> you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that
>>> transaction.
>>>
>>> And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should
>>> catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented.
>>> E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company
>>> registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors
>>> btn different firms.
>>>
>>> ‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why
>>> is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being
>>> lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.
>>>
>>> Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we
>>> have put in place.
>>>
>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>
>>> Alliance Technologies
>>> www.at.co.ke
>>> *From: *Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM
>>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka
>>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> *Cc: *Ali Hussein
>>> *Subject: *[kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected
>>> looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation
>>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector
>>> how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?
>>>
>>> Except from the article:-
>>>
>>> In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite,
>>> an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is
>>> in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials
>>> and local rent-seeking software merchants.
>>>
>>> Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and
>>> re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials
>>> to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.
>>>
>>> This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars-
>>> have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/
>>>
>>> So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-
>>>
>>> 1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a
>>> 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.
>>>
>>> 2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the
>>> business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this
>>> case the government.
>>>
>>> A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it
>>> is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using
>>> qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who
>>> collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name
>>> of 'quacks'!
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Collins Areba,
> Kilifi, Kenya.
> Tel: +*254 707 750 788 */ *0731534124*
> Twitter: @arebacollins.
> Skype: arebacollins
>

-- 
Regards,

Collins Areba,
Kilifi, Kenya.
Tel: +*254 707 750 788 */ *0731534124*
Twitter: @arebacollins.
Skype: arebacollins
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