[kictanet] Parliamentary Committee on Sports Betting

Mon Aug 8 12:04:28 EAT 2016

"When hunters learned to shoot without missing, the birds learned to fly
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On Aug 8, 2016 10:16, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Banning betting will not necessarily stop betting, it will instead
> eradicate it from legal channels.
>
> On Saturday, 6 August 2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Rosemary
>>
>> True that..
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>> *Principal*
>> *Hussein & Associates*
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>>
>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2016, at 6:24 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu <chemukoechk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Cybertheft is not really innovation (actually the opposite) ,but sport
>> pesa is the only company worldwide that has managed to leverage on an
>> existing mobile payments platform, and that is where the innovation ends.
>> The Kenyan FinTech ecosystem has allowed the business to thrive which is in
>> a way a good thing because on a daily basis we are pushing forward new ways
>> of utilising mobile money...I support that there needs to be a thorough
>> clampdown on unscrupulous results of this.
>>
>> The only fascinating thing is what laws will evolve out of this, it gives
>> us a better understanding of the excesses that can result from financial
>> innovation and how best we can deal with this in future.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2016 07:30, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever happened to the Charity Sweepstakes?
>>>
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Charity-Sweepstake-loses-out-to
>>> -SMS-/1056-1057480-6usbe7/index.html
>>>
>>> Let's not garnish this issue. What's happening in Kenya and Africa is
>>> that we have bred a generation with a 'get-rich-quick' mindset which feeds
>>> the gambling industry. And I mean gambling here *NOT* gaming.
>>>
>>> We need to be clear about differentiating 'Gaming' and 'Gambling'.
>>>
>>> *Gaming*: The playing of a game or games, including but not limited to
>>> video games and games of chance..
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaming
>>>
>>> *Gambling*: is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to
>>> as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary
>>> intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus
>>> requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. The
>>> outcome of the wager is often immediate, such as a single roll of dice or a
>>> spin of a roulette wheel, but longer time frames are also common, allowing
>>> wagers on the outcome of a future sports contest or even an entire sports
>>> season.
>>>
>>> What I actually find super disturbing is the now common 'acceptance' of
>>> the interchange of the words *gambling *and* gaming. *
>>>
>>> *See Wikipedia on the issue below.*
>>>
>>> The term *gaming* in this context typically refers to instances in
>>> which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two
>>> words are not mutually exclusive; *i.e.*, a "gaming" company offers
>>> (legal) "gambling" activities to the public and may be regulated by one
>>> of many *gaming control boards*, for example, the *Nevada Gaming
>>> Control Board*. However, this distinction is not universally observed
>>> in the English-speaking world. For instance, in the UK, the regulator of
>>> gambling activities is called the *Gambling** Commission* (not the
>>> Gaming Commission). The word *gaming* is used more frequently since the
>>> rise of *Computer* and *Video Games* to describe activities that do not
>>> necessarily involve wagering, especially *Online Gaming*, with the new
>>> usage still not having displaced the old usage as the primary definition in
>>> common dictionaries.
>>>
>>> We need to get back to the Charity Sweepstakes era. Period. Society
>>> depends on it.
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion there cannot be any comparison to what the ICT
>>> Industry is doing and what the Gambling Industry is doing. It's like saying
>>> cyber theft is innovative because the perpetrators are using ICT.
>>>
>>> Leta wake up and smell the coffee.
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:22 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> The betting fraternity has benefited heavily from the fairly lax
>>> regulatory regime and have failed to make considerations on handling the
>>> effects that come as a result of the business,
>>>
>>> They have only one option and that is to figure out how they will guide
>>> the discussion on how they will be regulated.
>>>
>>> A few months ago they had the option of self regulating, but now the
>>> legislators have taken the lead.
>>>
>>> They may soon find themselves in the same boat as the ICT fraternity is
>>> in today, trying to fire hose a faulty proposed regulation I.e the ICT
>>> practitioners bill.
>>>
>>> It is agreed that there is a need to tame the gambling beast but it may
>>> be important to protect the innovations that have made their "success"
>>> possible. It may help the country if proposed regulation would ensure that
>>> the revenues earned from the industry are used for greater public good than
>>> is currently being felt, this may be the the only silver lining out of this
>>> cloud.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2016 16:00, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From an ICT perspective,
>>>>
>>>> Safaricom should be asked to switch off their short codes for these
>>>> betting firms.
>>>>
>>>> JG
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gamification. it's amazing how the debate around gambling has chosen
>>>>> to focus on monetary gains, addiction and other associative proclivities.
>>>>> How would one for instance compare sports gambling with pokemon? There are
>>>>> accounts of an individual who racked a bill of $4,954 a Japanese gymnast in
>>>>> Rio thanks to Pokemon Go... Catch ‘em all or go broke tryin.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me they are both innovations riding on two precincts, one a
>>>>> supporting infrastructure - mobile and two consumers psychographics. Much
>>>>> needs to be done to support and ensure the government benefits from a
>>>>> fiscal  angle of such innovations. I welcome parliamentary committee move
>>>>> to seek to understand the gamification phenomenon but ask it to be careful
>>>>> not put duress the sports betting firms that might lead to the firms
>>>>> contributing to there campaign kitty's to assuage tinkering of policies to
>>>>> their advantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your thoughts from an ICT perspective?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
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