[kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

Mon Aug 1 19:59:21 EAT 2016

I think the tenderpreneurs are behind this bill, with the aim to control
who gets tenders from the govt, and only legal intervention can stop them.

On 1 August 2016 at 18:41, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Listers,
> If ICT has no legal definition, it is then not unreasonable to conclude
> that what is going on is actually of no legal consequence and is an
> exercise in futility.
>
> John Kariuki.
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stellar Murumba via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date:
> To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: Stellar Murumba <nstellarnelly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
>
>
> I like Tony's point
>
> On Monday, 1 August 2016, Tony White via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> 'ICT' cannot be simply defined - it is the glue which now binds all
>> aspects of business and personal life.  We are ALL 'ICT Practitioners'
>> - which is why the current attempt to legislate must fail.  It is as
>> nonsensical as introducing an 'Oxygen Breathers' bill, requiring all
>> breathers of oxygen to be licenced annually with the 'Oxygen Breathers
>> Board'
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> On 01/08/2016, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> > Listers,
>> > I have in the past on this list intimated that I have yet to find a
>> legal
>> > definition of ICT.I have reason to believe that there is none unless
>> advised
>> > otherwise by someone knowledgeable on the subject. If my understanding
>> is
>> > correct, how then can anyone purport to legislate on a subject which
>> has no
>> > legal definition?
>> >
>> > John Kariuki
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > Date:
>> > To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk
>> > Cc: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
>> >
>> > Hi Elizabeth,
>> >
>> > Its a shame indeed, we have a habit of leaders reaping where they did
>> > not sow, i am glad with the new constitutional dispensation there is
>> > no room for such leaders who happen to be erstwhile tenderpreneurs who
>> > reap at the expense of hardworking innovators, the ICT community
>> > should step up its game and say no to such leadership, time to take
>> > full control of the sector including the leaders we send to Parliament
>> > .
>> > Its a pity that the legislators claim they are not in a position to
>> > help stakeholders as reported, i think we should send the correct
>> > message they normally understand and send them out of bunge using
>> > twitter, 2017 is a few months away.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On 8/1/16, Elizabeth Rossiello via kictanet
>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >>  I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a
>> >> self-proclaimed
>> >> "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared
>> the
>> >> following:
>> >>
>> >> - "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the
>> >> direction of the country without supervision"
>> >> - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of
>> the
>> >> government (via this bill's licensing and certification)"
>> >> - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides
>> Ethiopia]
>> >> with such stringent measures because it is a leader"
>> >> -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies"
>> >>
>> >> ... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female
>> >> employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't
>> have
>> >> the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved
>> in
>> >> who you can hire."
>> >>
>> >> I was shocked at the misinformation and views.  This is akin to the way
>> >> Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News.  Most
>> of
>> >> it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie"
>> and
>> >> what they are and are not capable of.  It seems as some people think
>> there
>> >> is an army of robots about to take over this country from the
>> innocents.
>> >>
>> >> Who has been driving this narrative?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet <
>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> they are not being honest.
>> >>>
>> >>> based on the views they have received they can recommend its
>> withdrawal.
>> >>>
>> >>> regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet
>> >>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html
>> >>>
>> >>> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the
>> >>> current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are
>> >>> also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so
>> >>> are many other professions, which each already have their own
>> >>> registration.  So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT
>> >>> practitioners?
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Tony White
>> >>>
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>> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>> development.
>> >
>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
>> bandwidth,
>> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,
>> do
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>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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