<div dir="ltr">I think the tenderpreneurs are behind this bill, with the aim to control who gets tenders from the govt, and only legal intervention can stop them.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 August 2016 at 18:41, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div></div><div>Listers, </div><div>If ICT has no legal definition, it is then not unreasonable to conclude</div><div>that what is going on is actually of no legal consequence and is an exercise in futility. </div><div><br></div><div>John Kariuki. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from Samsung Mobile</div></div></div><span class=""> <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Stellar Murumba via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>Date: <br>To: <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br></span><div><div class="h5">Cc: Stellar Murumba <<a href="mailto:nstellarnelly@gmail.com" target="_blank">nstellarnelly@gmail.com</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away <br> <br><br>I like Tony's point<span></span><br><br>On Monday, 1 August 2016, Tony White via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">John,<br>
'ICT' cannot be simply defined - it is the glue which now binds all<br>
aspects of business and personal life. We are ALL 'ICT Practitioners'<br>
- which is why the current attempt to legislate must fail. It is as<br>
nonsensical as introducing an 'Oxygen Breathers' bill, requiring all<br>
breathers of oxygen to be licenced annually with the 'Oxygen Breathers<br>
Board'<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
On 01/08/2016, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet<br>
<<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Listers,<br>
> I have in the past on this list intimated that I have yet to find a legal<br>
> definition of ICT.I have reason to believe that there is none unless advised<br>
> otherwise by someone knowledgeable on the subject. If my understanding is<br>
> correct, how then can anyone purport to legislate on a subject which has no<br>
> legal definition?<br>
><br>
> John Kariuki<br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile<br>
><br>
> -------- Original message --------<br>
> From: Barrack Otieno via kictanet <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Date:<br>
> To: <a>ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> Cc: Barrack Otieno <<a>otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<br>
><br>
> Hi Elizabeth,<br>
><br>
> Its a shame indeed, we have a habit of leaders reaping where they did<br>
> not sow, i am glad with the new constitutional dispensation there is<br>
> no room for such leaders who happen to be erstwhile tenderpreneurs who<br>
> reap at the expense of hardworking innovators, the ICT community<br>
> should step up its game and say no to such leadership, time to take<br>
> full control of the sector including the leaders we send to Parliament<br>
> .<br>
> Its a pity that the legislators claim they are not in a position to<br>
> help stakeholders as reported, i think we should send the correct<br>
> message they normally understand and send them out of bunge using<br>
> twitter, 2017 is a few months away.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> On 8/1/16, Elizabeth Rossiello via kictanet<br>
> <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a<br>
>> self-proclaimed<br>
>> "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared the<br>
>> following:<br>
>><br>
>> - "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the<br>
>> direction of the country without supervision"<br>
>> - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of the<br>
>> government (via this bill's licensing and certification)"<br>
>> - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides Ethiopia]<br>
>> with such stringent measures because it is a leader"<br>
>> -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies"<br>
>><br>
>> ... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female<br>
>> employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't have<br>
>> the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved in<br>
>> who you can hire."<br>
>><br>
>> I was shocked at the misinformation and views. This is akin to the way<br>
>> Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News. Most of<br>
>> it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie" and<br>
>> what they are and are not capable of. It seems as some people think there<br>
>> is an army of robots about to take over this country from the innocents.<br>
>><br>
>> Who has been driving this narrative?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet <<br>
>> <a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> they are not being honest.<br>
>>><br>
>>> based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.<br>
>>><br>
>>> regards,<br>
>>><br>
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>>><br>
>>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet<br>
>>> <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the<br>
>>> current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are<br>
>>> also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so<br>
>>> are many other professions, which each already have their own<br>
>>> registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT<br>
>>> practitioners?<br>
>>><br>
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