[kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

Mon Aug 1 12:59:22 EAT 2016

It is a strange situation. The sponsor is the leader of government business
yet he is pushing a bill that is not in line with GoK policy.

Regards,

Alex

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This is so helpful, thank you!

Is the sponsor open to conversations? Has he said what problem he is trying
to solve with this? 

Is there a sense that if this bill is voted on, it will pass? If it's not
possible for it to be withdrawn or appropriately amended (although it's hard
for me to see how it could be appropriately amended), is there room for
KICTAnet to engage directly with legislators?

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Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:47 AM
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Cc: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu at gmail.com <mailto:nmutungu at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a
memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July.
We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that
only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. 

We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the
Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and
should be withdrawn.

Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill.
They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses
and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee
is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. 

Regards, 

2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet
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For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.

Jgitau

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet
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Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal
engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?

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Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM
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Cc: Watila Alex <awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

they are not being honest. 

based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.

regards,

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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet

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http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai
q1/index.html
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We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the
current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.

Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are
also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so
are many other professions, which each already have their own
registration.  So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT
practitioners?

-- 
Tony White

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