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The sponsor is the leader of government business yet he is pushing a bill that is not in line with GoK policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ebele Okobi via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 1, 2016 12:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> awatila@yahoo.co.uk<br><b>Cc:</b> Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>This is so helpful, thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Is the sponsor open to conversations? Has he said what problem he is trying to solve with this? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Is there a sense that if this bill is voted on, it will pass? If it’s not possible for it to be withdrawn or appropriately amended (although it’s hard for me to see how it could be appropriately amended), is there room for KICTAnet to engage directly with legislators?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:47 AM<br><b>To: </b>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Jgitau<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>" <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM<br><b>To: </b>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Watila Alex <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>they are not being honest. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.com_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=c0QWcXg0iF8hJ9PpLKsOiIvnCwHvmCcuAUIJW2VaWm0&e=" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_business_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html</a><br><br>We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the<br>current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.<br><br>Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are<br>also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so<br>are many other professions, which each already have their own<br>registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT<br>practitioners?<br><br>-- <br>Tony White<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=ZClUlFE_eX-PWgEFDX24yDQVeJFx71KJfa_Of5bLBpk&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_awatila-2540yahoo.co.uk&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=2-RSLwnKGTEjO7BftLgSrtxN1BNkeyFWVtx-9QqNk-0&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br><br>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_jgitau-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=kzEfXvezdw89oK8k4Kk0hvtx6LzqJy6rcpI8lzTkTxM&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgitau%40gmail.com</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br><br>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br><br clear=all><br><span class=hoenzb>-- </span></span><span class=hoenzb><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#888888'>**Gitau</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_nmutungu-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=u619vBheY957o0iwIEy5zU77cr5SCTLVaTidhCc_rao&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br><br>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Grace L.N. 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