[kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally

Fri Jan 30 15:40:59 EAT 2015

Thank you Bernard,

Your last email explains a lot thank you for taking the effort to
develop a policy environments whose beneficiaries will be future
generations.

Best Regards

On 1/30/15, Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:
> Barrack,
>
> I agree.
>
> Part of figuring out, requires the steps that have been taken.
>
> Regards
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf
> Of Barrack Otieno via kictanet
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:04 PM
> To: bkioko at bernsoft.com
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing
> Kenyans
> to download content illegally
>
> That is a good analogy  David. I think our musicians need to figure out how
> best to survive in the present ecosystem,at times legalese is not always
> the
> best route.
>
> Best Regards
>
> On 1/30/15, David Makali via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
>> Wrong analogy, James. You do not ask NTSA but you apprehend the
>> vehicle owner/driver/The transporter. Try and ferry your Bhang with
>> DHL or even Easy Coach if you know what I mean. You have to declare
>> your goods! Same to those who want to use the ISP. Vicarious liability...
>> David
>>
>> This is official mail. If you doubt the content, call back on
>> +254722517540.
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:09 PM, James Mbugua via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bernard,
>>>
>>> I asked you, Can you sue NTSA for allowing Bhang to be transported on
>>> our roads?
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Exactly, how the hell are they supposed to know who is transporting
>>> bhang?
>>>
>>> In your case, exactly how the hell are ISPs supposed to know you are
>>> downloading music illegally?
>>>
>>> You guys are just looking for traction here....the people you should
>>> talk to are Kenic if they registered them and the owners of the
>>> servers where these sites are hosted. ISPs have nothing to do with this.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> At one point many ppl didn't believe mpesa would be possible.. It
>>>> took intervention from the late minister michuki....
>>>>
>>>> We r country used to being first in many things
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 2:59 PM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet"
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist
>>>>> sites?
>>>>>
>>>>> Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:
>>>>> > James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same
>>>>> > sites be blocked by ISPs and that's happening.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What's ur comment on that?
>>>>> > On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Listers,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of
>>>>> >> throwing mud at the wall to see if it will stick.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content
>>>>> >> anywhere in the world. From the get go let us dispense with
>>>>> >> that. Neither will they be found so in this case.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa
>>>>> >> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this
>>>>> >> day, it is piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes
>>>>> >> of Comcast or AT$T.
>>>>> >> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your
>>>>> >> customer is downloading or uploading....this is not China and
>>>>> >> getting into that territory is very dangerous for people's
>>>>> >> rights.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or
>>>>> >> sue NTSA for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> lol
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> James
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <
>>>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very
>>>>> >>> serious precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it
>>>>> >>> comes to the Online World.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Best Regards,
>>>>> >>> Davis M Onsakia
>>>>> >>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose
>>>>> >>> sight of the shore for a very long time."
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <
>>>>> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.
>>>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders
>>>>> >>>>> have a list of infringing sites?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com>
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-f
>>>>> >>>>>> orces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html
>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
>>>>> >>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to
>>>>> >>>>>>> allow content illegally. Any one with some insight?
>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-cop
>>>>> >>>>>>> yright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/
>>>>> >>>>>>> -/index.html
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
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