[kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally

Fri Jan 30 15:33:52 EAT 2015

Barrack,

I agree.

Part of figuring out, requires the steps that have been taken.

Regards

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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans
to download content illegally

That is a good analogy  David. I think our musicians need to figure out how
best to survive in the present ecosystem,at times legalese is not always the
best route.

Best Regards

On 1/30/15, David Makali via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Wrong analogy, James. You do not ask NTSA but you apprehend the 
> vehicle owner/driver/The transporter. Try and ferry your Bhang with 
> DHL or even Easy Coach if you know what I mean. You have to declare 
> your goods! Same to those who want to use the ISP. Vicarious liability...
> David
>
> This is official mail. If you doubt the content, call back on
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>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:09 PM, James Mbugua via kictanet 
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Bernard,
>>
>> I asked you, Can you sue NTSA for allowing Bhang to be transported on 
>> our roads?
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Exactly, how the hell are they supposed to know who is transporting 
>> bhang?
>>
>> In your case, exactly how the hell are ISPs supposed to know you are 
>> downloading music illegally?
>>
>> You guys are just looking for traction here....the people you should 
>> talk to are Kenic if they registered them and the owners of the 
>> servers where these sites are hosted. ISPs have nothing to do with this.
>>
>> James
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet 
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> At one point many ppl didn't believe mpesa would be possible.. It 
>>> took intervention from the late minister michuki....
>>>
>>> We r country used to being first in many things
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 2:59 PM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet"
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist 
>>>> sites?
>>>>
>>>> Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:
>>>> > James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same 
>>>> > sites be blocked by ISPs and that's happening.
>>>> >
>>>> > What's ur comment on that?
>>>> > On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" < 
>>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Listers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of 
>>>> >> throwing mud at the wall to see if it will stick.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content 
>>>> >> anywhere in the world. From the get go let us dispense with 
>>>> >> that. Neither will they be found so in this case.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa 
>>>> >> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this 
>>>> >> day, it is piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes 
>>>> >> of Comcast or AT$T.
>>>> >> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your 
>>>> >> customer is downloading or uploading....this is not China and 
>>>> >> getting into that territory is very dangerous for people's 
>>>> >> rights.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or 
>>>> >> sue NTSA for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> lol
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> James
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet < 
>>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very 
>>>> >>> serious precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it 
>>>> >>> comes to the Online World.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Best Regards,
>>>> >>> Davis M Onsakia
>>>> >>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose 
>>>> >>> sight of the shore for a very long time."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < 
>>>> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.
>>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders 
>>>> >>>>> have a list of infringing sites?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-f
>>>> >>>>>> orces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html
>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < 
>>>> >>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to 
>>>> >>>>>>> allow content illegally. Any one with some insight?
>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-cop
>>>> >>>>>>> yright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/
>>>> >>>>>>> -/index.html
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
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