[kictanet] Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp

Thu Dec 17 20:17:02 EAT 2015

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On 17 Dec 2015 20:11, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> This statement is a bit under-informed. I am at Facebook now, but I was
> previously at Yahoo, where I led the business & human rights program,
> explicitly focused on ensuring that Yahoo¹s engagement with law
> enforcement was governed by human rights principles-the only organization
> of its kind. Companies like Yahoo, Facebook, Google subject requests from
> US law enforcement to rigorous assessments requiring that those requests
> are lawful and do not violate human rights. Companies also regularly push
> back on US law enforcement requests when the requests are not valid or
> over-broad.
>
> This information can be easily gleaned from transparency reports, which
> all major tech companies publish. Most significantly, Yahoo also took the
> NSA to court, the only company to ever do so, explicitly because Yahoo
> refused to hand over user data. While that was the most serious case, in
> that it was a national security case, tech companies are constantly going
> to court in the US to preserve users rights to privacy.  Now, from a legal
> perspective, the fact that a company is domiciled in a country, and the
> fact that the country has legal jurisdiction necessarily, from a legal
> perspective, means that the country has more authority over a company.
> That is just a matter of law, in the same way that, say, Safaricom is
> subject to far greater restrictions in Kenya.
>
> Now, there is a very interesting conversation to be had about how to make
> global law enforcement requests work in a borderless context, and that¹s
> why Facebook and other tech companies are part of a working group to
> identify how to pilot a mechanism that both respects international human
> rights norms (not an easy thing, at all, by the way) and doesn¹t make our
> companies involuntary police, and that keeps people as safe as possible on
> line.
>
>
> Links with more information-
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-lawsuit-documents-fi
> ne-user-data-refusal
> http://news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-google-hand-over-personal-user-data-1825
> 26071.html
> https://transparency.yahoo.com/users-first/index.htm
> https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/US/
> https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/2015-H1/
> https://www.dropbox.com/transparency/?_tk=mb&_camp=news&_ad=transparency-h1
> -2015&_net=transparency
>
>
>
>
> Ebele
> Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
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> 156 1315
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> On 12/17/15, 1:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet"
> <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> >With all respect, have you ever seen how the Silicon Valley companies
> >treat other countries with contempt especially when it comes to data
> >requests? But when Uncle Sam asks for the information, they are given.
> >
> >Therefore this debate should be more about finding a balance between
> >privacy and the rule of law. This also falls under the broader cross
> >border communication debate that has been raging especially in EU
> >region and Russia. It's a tough nut I admit.
> >
> >On 17/12/2015, Barrack Otieno via kictanet
> ><kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >> Great discussion,
> >>
> >> Would be interesting to get the Communications Authority position on the
> >> same in light of recent statements issued by CBK on bit coins :-)
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> On Dec 17, 2015 3:04 PM, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <
> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Of course-got it!
> >>> I was focusing on the privacy issue, not the operator revenue issue. I
> >>>do
> >>> think it's interesting to think of the fact that operators themselves
> >>> were
> >>> disrupters. . .
> >>>
> >>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
> >>>
> >>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
> >>>
> >>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
> >>>
> >>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
> >>>
> >>> [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Mose Karanja <mosekaranja at gmail.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Uber disrupted the taxi ecosystem so immensely that some taxi unions
> >>> started attacks on Uber the company and Uber the product arguing they
> >>>are
> >>> taxed and licensed yet their new competitors are not taxed. They
> >>>hope(d)
> >>> the regulators would side with their argument. Some did some didn't.
> >>>
> >>> The Uber-moment is thus (in my world) that point in the life of a
> >>> disruptive product when the existing dominant player seeks favor from
> >>>the
> >>> regulators to block that which 'they can't understand'.
> >>>
> >>> Cue in Bob Dylan's Times are A Changing :)
> >>> On 17 Dec 2015 13:31, "Paul Roy" <roykoikai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ebele,
> >>>>
> >>>> This is going to open a whole set of regulatory concerns around
> >>>>privacy
> >>>> vs. security.
> >>>>
> >>>> Following this keenly!
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Roy.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> >>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Uber moment? Tell me more!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WhatsApp is protecting the privacy rights of its users-here's a FB
> >>>>>post
> >>>>> from WhatsApp's founder, Jan Koum (btw, when you get a chance, look
> >>>>>up
> >>>>> his
> >>>>> personal history. It gives a sense of why he is so passionate about
> >>>>>the
> >>>>> right to privacy.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We are disappointed in the short-sighted decision to cut off access
> >>>>>to
> >>>>> WhatsApp, a communication tool that so many Brazilians have come to
> >>>>> depend
> >>>>> on, and sad to see Brazil isolate itself from the rest of the world."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
> >>>>>
> >>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Mose Karanja via kictanet <
> >>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A Brazilian judge has ordered a 48 hour WhatsApp lockdown.
> >>>>> The order claims WhatsApp refused to cooperate with Law Enforcement
> >>>>> agencies on data handover.
> >>>>> The harshness of the verdict is thus seen as a retaliation to show
> >>>>> whois
> >>>>> boss.
> >>>>> However, there is the Telco Lobby pushing for regulation (that word
> >>>>> again) of VOIP (WhatsApp calls) under the claim that Brazilians are
> >>>>>no
> >>>>> longer using voice calls and yet they are taxed for the spectrum
> >>>>>which
> >>>>> WhatsApp is not being taxed for since it is not classified as a
> >>>>>Telco.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can read more here (in Portuguese):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www1.folha.uol.com
> >>>>>.br_mercado_2015_12_1719934-2Djustica-2Ddetermina-2Dbloqueio-2Ddo-2Dwh
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> >>>>> or here in English
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> An Uber-moment for WhatsApp.
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Moses Karanja | @Mose_Karanja
> >>>>>
> >>>>><
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> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
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