[kictanet] Equity Bank vs Safaricom :-Round 2
Ahmed Mohamed Maawy
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Wed Sep 17 13:32:56 EAT 2014
@Dennis. To me its one more reason why I should get paranoid when I am
walking or driving around the streets. The fact that at gun point you can
do a lot of damage to your account at the command of your mobile device.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> I've been using the Equitel SIM card for a few days.
>
> One of the things that people have been overlooking in the whole argument
> is that the Equitel SIM card virtually has your whole bank account sitting
> on it.
>
> So while we are frothing on the mouth over M-Pesa security, I would think
> that many people will have more money in their bank account than on the SIM
> card. No one seems to be talking about security on the users side - I mean,
> if the Thin-SIM's security is compromised, then your whole bank account is
> compromised.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 17 September 2014, Martin Gicheru via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Also thinking about the part where the SIM card will need to be inactive
>> while the other is active, I think Safaricom do have a legal point where
>> they will have a technical outage as the user switches to second SIM. You
>> know, unlike Dual-SIM which allows for dual standby, these two SIMs will
>> not operate at the same time. That and the part where we still are not
>> sure about data security as mentioned by Collins and Delano.
>>
>> Brings me to this: Who is supposed to test and verify that the thin SIM
>> wont compromise on the security of the primary SIM and why hasn't this been
>> done by now. If I was Safaricom I would worry about giving access to my
>> customer usage habits, just like any subscribed service is able to access
>> from their users to make their services better or like in the case of
>> Google and the likes, serve better ads.
>>
>> Martin Gicheru
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Safaricom's Case seems grounded on the fact that The Thin Sim sits
>>> squarely in between your safaricom SIM card (that offers security layer to
>>> your accounts within the safaricom network) and the handset whose input
>>> devices you use to interact with their SIM. In theory therefore all
>>> keystrokes can therefore be "logged", For the Record I will not be putting
>>> anything in that phone that I use heavily for bank transactions because
>>> while not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt, Safaricom does have a point.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @ Harry D,
>>>>
>>>> I did cover all your questions in the blog. I also thought Parliament
>>>> (with all due respect to our very able Hon. MP, Eng J. Rege who sits on the
>>>> respective committee) has jumped the gun and got involved too soon. They
>>>> should let the regulator do their thing as per law.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, you and I know, there is nothing like 100% security
>>>> (otherwise German Premier's phone would not have been bugged by the CIA :-)
>>>> So rather than discuss how insecure the technology is, we should be
>>>> discussing how to implement the technology with increased levels of
>>>> assurance/security.
>>>>
>>>> walu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Wed, 9/17/14, Harry Delano via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: Equity Bank vs Safaricom :-Round 2
>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the headlines indicating
>>>> Parliament has to have a final say on this, based on
>>>> alleged security ramifications posed by this new Thin-Sim
>>>> Technology.. It is claimed that it's prone to hacks,
>>>> attacks, DoS etc.. and "will erode significantly the
>>>> gains achieved so far in mobile money market.." Anyone
>>>> with any idea where the technology currently implemented
>>>> -
>>>> Harry
>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
>>>> 10:00 PM, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Mpesa succeeds
>>>> primarily because of a strong distribution network. IMO
>>>> Equity have the existing clientele and the resources to
>>>> offer a product that can genuinely challenge
>>>> Safaricom.
>>>> On 16 Sep 2014, at 20:11, "Ahmed Mohamed
>>>> Maawy via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With Ali on this one. Mobile
>>>> Money is a gone case in Kenya. If Equity is really providing
>>>> a value add service then its not through its mobile
>>>> platform. Airtel, Yu and Orange all have far cheaper mobile
>>>> money services. If there was a service that would be the
>>>> first to topple M-Pesa it would have been Airtel Money.
>>>> Heck, Airtel even offers cheaper call rates from Airtel to
>>>> Safaricom than from Safaricom to Safaricom and they still
>>>> are not getting customers. Did I mention their network
>>>> coverage is even stronger?
>>>>
>>>> And what would Equity need to do? Set up masts
>>>> in as far as Kitui, or as far as Maralal, or as far as
>>>> Isiolo? Theres a lot of work to be done before Equity
>>>> becomes a service provider to even match the least
>>>> established provider there is. They would be better off
>>>> working with Yu mobile than working even against Safaricom.
>>>> No offence.
>>>>
>>>> So the business
>>>> here is in the value add services, which is where mobile
>>>> commerce comes in. What is done is done, the value add is
>>>> what is the worth for now. Not the competition. Because
>>>> competition already exists, no sense saturating it
>>>> further.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
>>>> 7:57 PM, McTim via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/09/disrupting-mobile-banking-kenya
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know which
>>>> network Equity is 'virtual" on?
>>>>
>>>> rgds,
>>>>
>>>> McTim
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 16,
>>>> 2014 at 10:03 AM, Sophia Bekele via kictanet <
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>>>> wrote:
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>>>> discussion on where mobile baking is going....
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>>>> On Tuesday, September
>>>> 16, 2014 7:52 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> @Walu
>>>> Lets wait and see...Many have
>>>> written off Safaricom before. What I'm loving
>>>> about this discussion though is the elephant in the room. I
>>>> believe Kenyans are waiting for the next big thing. This
>>>> mobile money thing has been hyped and flogged until its
>>>> dead. The next big thing is mobile commerce.
>>>> And I don't mean the 'Lipa
>>>> na Mpesa' variety.
>>>> I mean real m-commerce enablement -
>>>> SME supply chain financing, invoice discounting etc.
>>>> That's where the future is and that's why the KCB
>>>> tie up is interesting. My only concern with that is that
>>>> most banks (fortunately for Safaricom) are old school
>>>> thinkers unwilling to venture into the
>>>> unknown.
>>>> This ship
>>>> hasn't sailed yet. It remains to be seen who will be at
>>>> the helm.
>>>> Ali
>>>> Hussein
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>>>>
>>>> "I fear the day
>>>> technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>>>> have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert
>>>> Einstein
>>>> Sent
>>>> from my iPad
>>>> On Sep 16,
>>>> 2014, at 5:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Ali,
>>>>
>>>> Equity is
>>>> not just after Safaricom lunch, they are after their dinner
>>>> as well :-).
>>>>
>>>> This thin-SIM technology will do what
>>>> Number Portability failed to do. People are likely to
>>>> "Vooka" onto Equity (cheaper) voice services
>>>> without having to buy two phones or dual-SIM phones.
>>>> Equity mobile money value proposition, will have the
>>>> side-effect of knock the breath out of Safaricom's voice
>>>> revenues...fortunately, Safcom can see this, and they are
>>>> not taking it kindly :-)
>>>>
>>>> We are
>>>> indeed living in very interesting times in .Ke
>>>>
>>>> walu.
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Tue, 9/16/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Equity Bank vs
>>>> Safaricom :-Round 2
>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2014, 3:18
>>>> PM
>>>>
>>>> Collins
>>>>
>>>> Well put.
>>>> Walu,
>>>> I'm keen to understand how
>>>> a
>>>> technology which is a
>>>> commodity ( read here that Safaricom
>>>> can also implement the same technology)
>>>> can usurp
>>>> Safaricom's
>>>> unassailable lead in this
>>>>
>>>> space.
>>>> What's my
>>>> point?
>>>>
>>>> Technology is
>>>> an accelerator
>>>> and NOT The Strategy in itself. Assume first
>>>> that what you can access in the open
>>>> market (as opposed to
>>>>
>>>> restricted
>>>> technology under patent) your competitors can do
>>>> so too. We usually forget this but MPesa
>>>> isn't even the
>>>> best mobile
>>>> technology in the country. Not even by a long
>>>> short! They managed to capture their
>>>> base through first
>>>> mover
>>>> advantage and a positioning statement that was
>>>> apparently well received by Kenyans. And
>>>> of course there is
>>>> the Network
>>>> Effect of being ubiquitous in the
>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> Equity needs to
>>>> execute with
>>>> excellence and not depend on the Technology to
>>>> take on Safaricom.
>>>> Needless to say I would love to be
>>>> a
>>>> fly on the wall in the
>>>> strategy sessions currently going on
>>>>
>>>> in both companies. Careers will be made or broken
>>>> on
>>>> this..no doubt about
>>>> that.
>>>> Ali
>>>> Hussein
>>>>
>>>> +254 770
>>>> 906375 / 0713
>>>> 601113
>>>> Twitter:
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>>>>
>>>> "I
>>>> fear the day
>>>> technology will
>>>> surpass human interaction. The world will
>>>> have a generation of idiots". ~
>>>> Albert
>>>> Einstein
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Sep
>>>> 16,
>>>> 2014, at 1:06 PM, Collins
>>>> Areba via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "We
>>>> are glad
>>>> to use this platform
>>>> to deliver an extension service to our
>>>> customers, It is our heartfelt desire to
>>>> satisfy our
>>>> customers first,
>>>> and if technology affords us that
>>>> opportunity, we are obliged to take up
>>>> on it. If the same
>>>> technology
>>>> should allow us to interact with our customers,
>>>> and have an opportunity to give them
>>>> voice and data
>>>> in the same
>>>> breath, then why not, those would be extras
>>>> to
>>>> the benefit of our
>>>> client... "
>>>>
>>>> Paraphrased from memory during
>>>> an
>>>> interview on Citizen last
>>>> week. I think this opens the game
>>>> wide Open, and For the Record, Safaricom
>>>> should be given a
>>>> Commercial
>>>> Banking license.
>>>>
>>>> My 10 Cents.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue,
>>>> Sep 16, 2014 at
>>>> 12:06 PM,
>>>> Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought you might find this
>>>> interesting,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>>
>>>> After
>>>> Equity Bank decided to directly play in the mobile
>>>> money market by issuing its own SIM
>>>> cards, we debated
>>>> heatedly in
>>>> a previous blog whether Safaricom had finally
>>>> met its match. At the time, it was
>>>> assumed that Equity
>>>> would be
>>>> selling the traditional SIM card, which would
>>>> require customers to either buy dual
>>>> SIM-card phones or
>>>> carry two
>>>> phones in order to access services from two
>>>> existing providers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even
>>>> within the inconvenient scenario above, Equity with
>>>> its
>>>> large customer base was
>>>> bound to pose some significant
>>>>
>>>> competition to the leading mobile money provider
>>>> Safaricom. The surprise, it seems, is
>>>> the secret weapon
>>>> Equity
>>>> unveiled recently in the form of a Thin-SIM
>>>> Card....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Read more @
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2453920/-/11d48l2z/-/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
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Ahmed Maawy
Shaper - Global Shapers
Executive Director - M-Power (CBO)
Ambassador - Open Knowledge
CTO - D8A, Appfrica Labs
(KE) +254 714 960 627
Skype: ultimateprogramer
www.globalshapers.org <http://globalshapers.org/>
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www.apps4africa.org
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