[kictanet] Fw: Equity Bank vs Safaricom :-Round 2
Ahmed Mohamed Maawy
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Wed Sep 17 13:25:49 EAT 2014
I just see so many barriers to entry. As if even having a dual SIM was in
itself not what some people like to have.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Martin Gicheru via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Also thinking about the part where the SIM card will need to be inactive
> while the other is active, I think Safaricom do have a legal point where
> they will have a technical outage as the user switches to second SIM. You
> know, unlike Dual-SIM which allows for dual standby, these two SIMs will
> not operate at the same time. That and the part where we still are not
> sure about data security as mentioned by Collins and Delano.
>
> Brings me to this: Who is supposed to test and verify that the thin SIM
> wont compromise on the security of the primary SIM and why hasn't this been
> done by now. If I was Safaricom I would worry about giving access to my
> customer usage habits, just like any subscribed service is able to access
> from their users to make their services better or like in the case of
> Google and the likes, serve better ads.
>
> Martin Gicheru
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Safaricom's Case seems grounded on the fact that The Thin Sim sits
>> squarely in between your safaricom SIM card (that offers security layer to
>> your accounts within the safaricom network) and the handset whose input
>> devices you use to interact with their SIM. In theory therefore all
>> keystrokes can therefore be "logged", For the Record I will not be putting
>> anything in that phone that I use heavily for bank transactions because
>> while not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt, Safaricom does have a point.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> @ Harry D,
>>>
>>> I did cover all your questions in the blog. I also thought Parliament
>>> (with all due respect to our very able Hon. MP, Eng J. Rege who sits on the
>>> respective committee) has jumped the gun and got involved too soon. They
>>> should let the regulator do their thing as per law.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, you and I know, there is nothing like 100% security
>>> (otherwise German Premier's phone would not have been bugged by the CIA :-)
>>> So rather than discuss how insecure the technology is, we should be
>>> discussing how to implement the technology with increased levels of
>>> assurance/security.
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 9/17/14, Harry Delano via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: Equity Bank vs Safaricom :-Round 2
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> What about the headlines indicating
>>> Parliament has to have a final say on this, based on
>>> alleged security ramifications posed by this new Thin-Sim
>>> Technology.. It is claimed that it's prone to hacks,
>>> attacks, DoS etc.. and "will erode significantly the
>>> gains achieved so far in mobile money market.." Anyone
>>> with any idea where the technology currently implemented
>>> -
>>> Harry
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
>>> 10:00 PM, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>> Mpesa succeeds
>>> primarily because of a strong distribution network. IMO
>>> Equity have the existing clientele and the resources to
>>> offer a product that can genuinely challenge
>>> Safaricom.
>>> On 16 Sep 2014, at 20:11, "Ahmed Mohamed
>>> Maawy via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With Ali on this one. Mobile
>>> Money is a gone case in Kenya. If Equity is really providing
>>> a value add service then its not through its mobile
>>> platform. Airtel, Yu and Orange all have far cheaper mobile
>>> money services. If there was a service that would be the
>>> first to topple M-Pesa it would have been Airtel Money.
>>> Heck, Airtel even offers cheaper call rates from Airtel to
>>> Safaricom than from Safaricom to Safaricom and they still
>>> are not getting customers. Did I mention their network
>>> coverage is even stronger?
>>>
>>> And what would Equity need to do? Set up masts
>>> in as far as Kitui, or as far as Maralal, or as far as
>>> Isiolo? Theres a lot of work to be done before Equity
>>> becomes a service provider to even match the least
>>> established provider there is. They would be better off
>>> working with Yu mobile than working even against Safaricom.
>>> No offence.
>>>
>>> So the business
>>> here is in the value add services, which is where mobile
>>> commerce comes in. What is done is done, the value add is
>>> what is the worth for now. Not the competition. Because
>>> competition already exists, no sense saturating it
>>> further.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
>>> 7:57 PM, McTim via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/09/disrupting-mobile-banking-kenya
>>>
>>> Does anyone know which
>>> network Equity is 'virtual" on?
>>>
>>> rgds,
>>>
>>> McTim
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 16,
>>> 2014 at 10:03 AM, Sophia Bekele via kictanet <
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>>> wrote:
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>>> On Tuesday, September
>>> 16, 2014 7:52 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Walu
>>> Lets wait and see...Many have
>>> written off Safaricom before. What I'm loving
>>> about this discussion though is the elephant in the room. I
>>> believe Kenyans are waiting for the next big thing. This
>>> mobile money thing has been hyped and flogged until its
>>> dead. The next big thing is mobile commerce.
>>> And I don't mean the 'Lipa
>>> na Mpesa' variety.
>>> I mean real m-commerce enablement -
>>> SME supply chain financing, invoice discounting etc.
>>> That's where the future is and that's why the KCB
>>> tie up is interesting. My only concern with that is that
>>> most banks (fortunately for Safaricom) are old school
>>> thinkers unwilling to venture into the
>>> unknown.
>>> This ship
>>> hasn't sailed yet. It remains to be seen who will be at
>>> the helm.
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>>> "I fear the day
>>> technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>>> have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert
>>> Einstein
>>> Sent
>>> from my iPad
>>> On Sep 16,
>>> 2014, at 5:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> @Ali,
>>>
>>> Equity is
>>> not just after Safaricom lunch, they are after their dinner
>>> as well :-).
>>>
>>> This thin-SIM technology will do what
>>> Number Portability failed to do. People are likely to
>>> "Vooka" onto Equity (cheaper) voice services
>>> without having to buy two phones or dual-SIM phones.
>>> Equity mobile money value proposition, will have the
>>> side-effect of knock the breath out of Safaricom's voice
>>> revenues...fortunately, Safcom can see this, and they are
>>> not taking it kindly :-)
>>>
>>> We are
>>> indeed living in very interesting times in .Ke
>>>
>>> walu.
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Tue, 9/16/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Equity Bank vs
>>> Safaricom :-Round 2
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2014, 3:18
>>> PM
>>>
>>> Collins
>>>
>>> Well put.
>>> Walu,
>>> I'm keen to understand how
>>> a
>>> technology which is a
>>> commodity ( read here that Safaricom
>>> can also implement the same technology)
>>> can usurp
>>> Safaricom's
>>> unassailable lead in this
>>>
>>> space.
>>> What's my
>>> point?
>>>
>>> Technology is
>>> an accelerator
>>> and NOT The Strategy in itself. Assume first
>>> that what you can access in the open
>>> market (as opposed to
>>>
>>> restricted
>>> technology under patent) your competitors can do
>>> so too. We usually forget this but MPesa
>>> isn't even the
>>> best mobile
>>> technology in the country. Not even by a long
>>> short! They managed to capture their
>>> base through first
>>> mover
>>> advantage and a positioning statement that was
>>> apparently well received by Kenyans. And
>>> of course there is
>>> the Network
>>> Effect of being ubiquitous in the
>>> space.
>>>
>>> Equity needs to
>>> execute with
>>> excellence and not depend on the Technology to
>>> take on Safaricom.
>>> Needless to say I would love to be
>>> a
>>> fly on the wall in the
>>> strategy sessions currently going on
>>>
>>> in both companies. Careers will be made or broken
>>> on
>>> this..no doubt about
>>> that.
>>> Ali
>>> Hussein
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>>> "I
>>> fear the day
>>> technology will
>>> surpass human interaction. The world will
>>> have a generation of idiots". ~
>>> Albert
>>> Einstein
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Sep
>>> 16,
>>> 2014, at 1:06 PM, Collins
>>> Areba via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "We
>>> are glad
>>> to use this platform
>>> to deliver an extension service to our
>>> customers, It is our heartfelt desire to
>>> satisfy our
>>> customers first,
>>> and if technology affords us that
>>> opportunity, we are obliged to take up
>>> on it. If the same
>>> technology
>>> should allow us to interact with our customers,
>>> and have an opportunity to give them
>>> voice and data
>>> in the same
>>> breath, then why not, those would be extras
>>> to
>>> the benefit of our
>>> client... "
>>>
>>> Paraphrased from memory during
>>> an
>>> interview on Citizen last
>>> week. I think this opens the game
>>> wide Open, and For the Record, Safaricom
>>> should be given a
>>> Commercial
>>> Banking license.
>>>
>>> My 10 Cents.
>>>
>>> On Tue,
>>> Sep 16, 2014 at
>>> 12:06 PM,
>>> Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought you might find this
>>> interesting,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> After
>>> Equity Bank decided to directly play in the mobile
>>> money market by issuing its own SIM
>>> cards, we debated
>>> heatedly in
>>> a previous blog whether Safaricom had finally
>>> met its match. At the time, it was
>>> assumed that Equity
>>> would be
>>> selling the traditional SIM card, which would
>>> require customers to either buy dual
>>> SIM-card phones or
>>> carry two
>>> phones in order to access services from two
>>> existing providers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even
>>> within the inconvenient scenario above, Equity with
>>> its
>>> large customer base was
>>> bound to pose some significant
>>>
>>> competition to the leading mobile money provider
>>> Safaricom. The surprise, it seems, is
>>> the secret weapon
>>> Equity
>>> unveiled recently in the form of a Thin-SIM
>>> Card....
>>>
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Read more @
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2453920/-/11d48l2z/-/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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