[kictanet] Security Situation in Kenya

Dennis Kioko dmbuvi at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:21:56 EAT 2014


High chances of being caught and fewer opportunities for crime is deterring
criminals in other parts of the world.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-less-and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic?zid=312&ah=da4ed4425e74339883d473adf5773841

In Kenya, there is little chance of being caught and lots of opportunities
to commit crimes....


On 16 June 2014 16:01, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Ngigi,
>
> Who tells you that " ... we might not have been able to stop it ...?"
> My thesis is our security agents know more than we credit them for. Why
> they do not act, that can only be answered by Political science scholars.
>
> Do Kenyans want efficient security policies? Then Strip ALL dignitaries in
> Kenya of home security, body guards, e.t.c. Let them feel insecure and
> naked like the rest of us the taxpayers.
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>
>
> On 16 June 2014 15:49, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Gichuki,
>>
>> These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
>>
>> If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest
>> consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any
>> other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment
>> in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
>>
>> And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not
>> have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten
>> the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the
>> coast, is to have been very well prepared.
>>
>> I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they
>> left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the
>> communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If
>> this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
>>
>> I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two
>> very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are
>> quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
>>
>> IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting
>> with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant
>> and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with
>> good leadership and quality intelligence.
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <
>> chuksjonia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK
>>> Embassy do the same last week?
>>>
>>> Did they get this information earlier?
>>>
>>> How did they get it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Phares,
>>> >
>>> > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the
>>> > answer to the problem.
>>> >
>>> > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is
>>> > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we
>>> will
>>> > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
>>> the
>>> > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
>>> >
>>> > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
>>> the
>>> > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from
>>> > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images
>>> from our
>>> > cities.
>>> >
>>> > Rgds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <
>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will.
>>> We've
>>> >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs
>>> >> etc),
>>> >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
>>> the
>>> >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger
>>> crimes.
>>> >> Al
>>> >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a
>>> convertible
>>> >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They
>>> >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on
>>> crime
>>> >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much
>>> needed
>>> >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to
>>> >> think
>>> >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the
>>> >> country.
>>> >>
>>> >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy.
>>> It's
>>> >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an
>>> illegal
>>> >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual
>>> >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law.
>>> >> The
>>> >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no
>>> cohesive
>>> >> security policy.
>>> >>
>>> >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's
>>> worth
>>> >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or
>>> if
>>> >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this
>>> >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
>>> >>
>>> >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy
>>> >> washing
>>> >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
>>> police
>>> >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are
>>> >> insulated
>>> >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
>>> this
>>> >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern
>>> is
>>> >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers
>>> who
>>> >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the
>>> state
>>> >> has
>>> >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the
>>> >> state
>>> >> mis-uses our taxes.
>>> >>
>>> >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure
>>> of an
>>> >> arm of government.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet
>>> <
>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control,
>>> >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and
>>> >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are
>>> >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use
>>> >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who
>>> >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement
>>> ICT
>>> >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ./Chucks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> > Listers,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious
>>> >>> > security
>>> >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed
>>> >>> close
>>> >>> > to 50 persons.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > The details on this are here
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1056/2349860/-/yf5qvgz/-/index.html
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
>>> >>> between
>>> >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial
>>> activity in
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> > region.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that
>>> Al-Shabbab
>>> >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
>>> these
>>> >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we
>>> have
>>> >>> > ringing.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are
>>> seeing it
>>> >>> > played out here right infront of us.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came
>>> up
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to
>>> secure
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> > nation.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to
>>> let a
>>> >>> few
>>> >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current
>>> >>> security
>>> >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that
>>> >>> > largely
>>> >>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being
>>> >>> spent
>>> >>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground
>>> >>> intelligence
>>> >>> > collection.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
>>> the
>>> >>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something
>>> gets
>>> >>> done.
>>> >>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and
>>> simple
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If
>>> >>> > largely
>>> >>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do
>>> >>> > about
>>> >>> > this.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > *Regards,*
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>> >>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>>> >>> > Building
>>> >>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M +
>>> 254
>>> >>> 737 811
>>> >>> > 000
>>> >>> > www.at.co.ke
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P
>>> >>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester
>>> >>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/
>>> >>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
>>> >>>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Warm Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Phares Kariuki
>>> >>
>>> >> *E*: pkariuki at gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: kariukiphares
>>> |
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Regards,*
>>> >
>>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>>> > Building
>>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254
>>> 737 811
>>> > 000
>>> > www.at.co.ke
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P
>>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester
>>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com
>>>
>>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/
>>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>> Building
>> T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737
>> 811 000
>> www.at.co.ke
>>
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> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
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