[kictanet] Kenyanization and its affect on startups

Tue Jan 14 20:48:05 EAT 2014

@Adam the immigration document needs updating see in as I see typists and
stenographers are still a career choice. I have no idea what a stenographer
is actually googling tells me its writing in short hand. Not sure how
useful this is nowadays. Also Russians are kinda left out. May be
deliberate.

However the crux of treating foreigners with suspicion is in my opinion a
better safe than sorry policy. Hasn't been airtight in the recent past as
Westgate showed but i kinda like it. As James said, getting access to the
US for most nationalities is a tall order. I don't see why this should be
different for Americans here. Or the qualification is holding Nuclear
weapons? :)

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Incidentally, Kenya is Africa's largest non-oil, non-mineral economy...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>wrote:
>
>>  Adam, you make a very compelling argument. But the analogy about banks
>> may not cut it. First National Bank of South Africa was founded in 1838 and
>> pumped up with golf and diamonds collected from the ground (direct
>> translation from Swahili), while the colonial history of Kenya dates from
>> the establishment of a German protectorate over the Sultan of Zanzibar's
>> coastal possessions in 1885, followed by the arrival of the Imperial
>> British East Africa Company in 1888. That is already 50 years head-start!
>>
>> If these expatriates are sitting around as vultures to cannibalise Kenya
>> innovations as they did to the UK based Vodafone's MPESA<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Vodafone-takes-home-Sh2-3bn-of-M-Pesa-revenue/-/539550/1852810/-/m9igv0/-/index.html> Where
>> Vodafone collects billions in license fees, then there is logic in the
>> Kenyan policies. How much does Royal Dutch Shell benefit Nigerians?
>>
>> That is not to say we should not pull up our socks.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
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>>
>> On 14 January 2014 01:13, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  All,
>>>
>>> I was recently reading this form for a work permit for non-Kenyans:
>>>
>>> http://www.immigration.go.ke/images/downloads/form22.pdf
>>>
>>> I think this single form sums up why Kenyan companies thus far haven't
>>> been able to be pan-African, let alone global powerhouses.
>>>
>>> Aside from the glaring omission of anybody being non-European,
>>> non-African and non-Asian (i.e. everybody from North and South America), I
>>> noticed that the underlying thrust of the document is to make sure all
>>> companies located in Kenya are geared towards becoming more Kenyan (except
>>> of course, all the international non-governmental and diplomatic
>>> organizations which bypass this whole process).
>>>
>>> It seems like GoK (or most of it anyway) doesn't understand that every
>>> country has to choose indiginezation of its domestic industrial sector OR
>>> allowing its industrial base to compete at a global level.  Indiginization
>>> can work in countries like Saudi Arabia where the focus is purely on
>>> resource extraction and not on building global companies - but it doesn't
>>> seem like Kenya is on that path.  Kenya seems to me to be a place of
>>> commerce where it can really take advantage of trade with other countries
>>> much like Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, etc... have done in South East
>>> Asia.
>>>
>>> You'll notice that the largest Kenyan bank is KCB as the 59th largest
>>> bank in Africa.  Who knows how small KCB is when compared to the global
>>> field.
>>>
>>> http://www.theafricareport.com/Top-200-Banks/top-200-banks-2013.html
>>>
>>> There is no natural reason for Kenyan banks to be so low on the list.
>>>  Kenya is one of the major economies on the continent, it has an educated
>>> work force, it has a large domestic market with which to nurture companies
>>> - yet there is no way for a Kenyan company to scale because of the
>>> insularity of the immigration regime.
>>>
>>> Is there any impetus within the government to address this problem?  I'm
>>> concerned about what my plan B is as a startup trying to be pan-African
>>> with a headquarters in Nairobi.  When I first moved to Nairobi, I thought
>>> this was a global city like New York where I had worked with Indians,
>>> Swedes, Burmese, Brazilians, Americans.
>>>
>>> Here I'm friends with people from all over the world but they all work
>>> for the UN and their employers bypass the GoK which otherwise fights so
>>> hard to keep foreigners from working and building businesses here.
>>>
>>> Is there a solution or is it just going to get worse?  People I've
>>> spoken to say 'come to Rwanda' or 'come to Mauritius' or even 'come to
>>> Ghana' .... can a company have a headquarters in Kenya and run a tech
>>> company with pan-African and global ambitions?
>>>
>>> I've posted this on my blog (
>>> http://varud.com/kenyanization-and-its-affect-on-startups) but I
>>> thought I would solicit opinions here.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
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Mark Mwangi

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