[kictanet] Matiang’i rules out Safaricom reprieve from licence terms
Adam Nelson
adam at varud.com
Thu Jan 9 14:07:38 EAT 2014
I'm just saying that the CCK report should clarify the methodologies used
in order to come up with the results and ideally offer a dataset for
researchers to analyze.
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:28 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam,
>
> So you are saying CCK has fabricated a report to implicate Safaricom? Give
> us a break. These are parameters which are used everywhere in the world I
> see no reason you need to nitpick through it trying to find reason to doubt
> it. Do you normally doubt the ones they put out on subscriber numbers and
> so on?
>
> What I have always supported about Safaricom and that is what they should
> be arguing, is that it is UNFAIR to allocate the same amount of frequency
> (Is amount the right word?) to Safaricom with 20million customers as with
> Orange or yu with about 1m customers and expect the 20 million to have the
> same quality of service packed into the same space.
>
> Otherwise, these QoS reports are independently carried out, the Fallacy of
> Ad Hominem, looking at who has released them rather than what they say,
> helps no one.
>
> So, yes Matiang'i should expect Safaricom to demand more frequency if it
> is expected to meet certain conditions with its 20million customers.
>
> James
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>wrote:
>
>> The government withdrawing Safaricom licence? Largest taxpayer? How
>> much dividends does the government get from Safaricom? Well we must be
>> very very naivë to believe that.
>>
>> And if the QoS offered by Safaricom is degraded, what does that say
>> about one of the major shareholder called GoK? I am happy to pocket
>> dividents instead of investing the same to improve services! So
>> Matiangi is actually admitting to have failed.
>>
>> On 09/01/2014, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>> > I don't see any methodology section in that report. Is this evaluation
>> > using standard methods? If so, what are the actual methods used by CCK
>> to
>> > generate the numbers?
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Adam,
>> >>
>> >> I did send the report link in an earlier post. It was @
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.cck.go.ke/consumers/other_info/downloads/REPORT_ON_THE_QUALITY_OF_SERVICE_2012-2013.pdf
>> >>
>> >> The only problem I have is that CCK might be looking at Quality in
>> >> isolation. In an ideal situation, the increased No. of subscribers
>> would
>> >> put pressure on the Safaricom Network such that its Quality would
>> >> deteriorate (which has happened) and subsequently force subscribers to
>> >> ran
>> >> away to better quality networks (which has NOT happened). If Safaricom
>> >> customers had moved to other networks, this would force Safaricom to
>> >> naturally improve its Quality (read: invest in Network Capacity
>> Expansion
>> >> in tandem with increased Subscriber numbers).
>> >>
>> >> Reading the riot act to Safaricom is not sufficient to warrant Quality
>> >> improvement. The departure of its customers would.
>> >>
>> >> So if I was the DG of CCK, I would be working on the WHY are the
>> >> suffering
>> >> -sorry - Safaricom ustomers like me NOT moving? Sort that out, and the
>> >> quality equation will be resolved.
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Thu, 1/9/14, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Matiang’i rules out Safaricom reprieve from
>> >> licence terms
>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >> Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014, 11:36 AM
>> >>
>> >> Where is the report?
>> >> All I see is a press release with no
>> >> report:
>> >> http://cck.go.ke/news/2013/Mobile_operators_fail.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And a broken link for the 'Publications &
>> >> Statistics' section:
>> >> http://cck.go.ke/resc/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa:
>> >> kili.ioMusings: twitter.com/varud
>> >> About
>> >> Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at
>> >> 11:26 AM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Adam,
>> >> It might help if you read the CCK report itself
>> >> on their website.
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at
>> >> 11:23 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I guess the US regulators would step in about
>> >> voice quality if it was bad in certain areas that the market
>> >> wouldn't want to serve. The theory would be that the
>> >> spectrum is a public asset licensed to the vendor in order
>> >> to further the public good - and that part of the license
>> >> terms are to satisfy the public good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is why the US landline regulators force
>> >> telephone companies to service very rural areas at the same
>> >> price as more economically efficient urban
>> >> areas.
>> >> If CCK was saying that all of the operators
>> >> needed to put masts in Turkana as part of a public good,
>> >> that would be one thing. But just saying that voice
>> >> quality is low in general and not backing it up with how
>> >> that compares to international standards (they surely exist
>> >> and the article discusses that Safaricom passed such
>> >> international tests) seems like a pretty weak argument to
>> >> me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Of course, the writing in the Business Daily
>> >> article is so muddled that it's hard to tell what's
>> >> actually going on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.ioMusings: twitter.com/varud
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> About
>> >> Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu,
>> >> Jan 9, 2014 at 11:14 AM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Adam,
>> >> Is it standard in other countries or is the QoS a
>> >> Kenyan/CCK feature? Then it might be a
>> >> shakedown.
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This seems like a shakedown to me.
>> >> Everybody I know gets Safaricom if they can
>> >> afford it (otherwise Airtel). The market can handle
>> >> quality problems and the CCK can help by educating the local
>> >> markets (i.e. local radio spots discussing carrier quality
>> >> in each market).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --Kili.io -
>> >> OpenStack for Africa: kili.ioMusings: twitter.com/varud
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> About
>> >> Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 9,
>> >> 2014 at 11:07 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ICT secretary Fred Matiang’i has vowed to tie the renewal
>> >> of Safaricom’s licence to the voice quality checks that
>> >> show the mobile phone operator is non-compliant.
>> >>
>> >> Dr Matiang’i said the government and the Communications
>> >> Commission of Kenya (CCK) will not negotiate on the voice
>> >> quality standards.
>> >>
>> >> ....
>> >>
>> >> “I don’t understand why an operator would like to
>> >> negotiate a licence condition. There are only two options
>> >> here, either comply or step out of the business,” Dr
>> >> Matiang’i told the Business Daily on the sidelines of the
>> >> launch of the electronic filling of returns by insurers to
>> >> the Insurance Regulatory Authority.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Check more @
>> >>
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Safaricom-licence-terms/-/539550/2139198/-/uvyr23/-/index.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >>
>> >> my comment? - Safaricom "ina weneyewe"
>> >> translation for the international viewers "Safaricom
>> >> has its owners" :-)
>> >>
>> >>
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