<div dir="ltr">I'm just saying that the CCK report should clarify the methodologies used in order to come up with the results and ideally offer a dataset for researchers to analyze.<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:28 PM, James Mbugua <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Adam,<div><br></div><div>So you are saying CCK has fabricated a report to implicate Safaricom? Give us a break. These are parameters which are used everywhere in the world I see no reason you need to nitpick through it trying to find reason to doubt it. Do you normally doubt the ones they put out on subscriber numbers and so on? </div>
<div><br></div><div>What I have always supported about Safaricom and that is what they should be arguing, is that it is UNFAIR to allocate the same amount of frequency (Is amount the right word?) to Safaricom with 20million customers as with Orange or yu with about 1m customers and expect the 20 million to have the same quality of service packed into the same space.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Otherwise, these QoS reports are independently carried out, the Fallacy of Ad Hominem, looking at who has released them rather than what they say, helps no one.</div><div><br></div><div>So, yes Matiang'i should expect Safaricom to demand more frequency if it is expected to meet certain conditions with its 20million customers.</div>
<div><br></div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Kivuva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">The government withdrawing Safaricom licence? Largest taxpayer? How<br>
much dividends does the government get from Safaricom? Well we must be<br>
very very naivë to believe that.<br>
<br>
And if the QoS offered by Safaricom is degraded, what does that say<br>
about one of the major shareholder called GoK? I am happy to pocket<br>
dividents instead of investing the same to improve services! So<br>
Matiangi is actually admitting to have failed.<br>
<div><br>
On 09/01/2014, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com" target="_blank">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I don't see any methodology section in that report. Is this evaluation<br>
> using standard methods? If so, what are the actual methods used by CCK to<br>
> generate the numbers?<br>
><br>
> --<br>
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><br>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Adam,<br>
>><br>
>> I did send the report link in an earlier post. It was @<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/consumers/other_info/downloads/REPORT_ON_THE_QUALITY_OF_SERVICE_2012-2013.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cck.go.ke/consumers/other_info/downloads/REPORT_ON_THE_QUALITY_OF_SERVICE_2012-2013.pdf</a><br>
>><br>
>> The only problem I have is that CCK might be looking at Quality in<br>
>> isolation. In an ideal situation, the increased No. of subscribers would<br>
>> put pressure on the Safaricom Network such that its Quality would<br>
>> deteriorate (which has happened) and subsequently force subscribers to<br>
>> ran<br>
>> away to better quality networks (which has NOT happened). If Safaricom<br>
>> customers had moved to other networks, this would force Safaricom to<br>
>> naturally improve its Quality (read: invest in Network Capacity Expansion<br>
>> in tandem with increased Subscriber numbers).<br>
>><br>
>> Reading the riot act to Safaricom is not sufficient to warrant Quality<br>
>> improvement. The departure of its customers would.<br>
>><br>
>> So if I was the DG of CCK, I would be working on the WHY are the<br>
>> suffering<br>
>> -sorry - Safaricom ustomers like me NOT moving? Sort that out, and the<br>
>> quality equation will be resolved.<br>
>><br>
>> walu.<br>
>><br>
>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Thu, 1/9/14, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com" target="_blank">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Matiang’i rules out Safaricom reprieve from<br>
>> licence terms<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014, 11:36 AM<br>
>><br>
>> Where is the report?<br>
>> All I see is a press release with no<br>
>> report:<br>
>> <a href="http://cck.go.ke/news/2013/Mobile_operators_fail.html" target="_blank">http://cck.go.ke/news/2013/Mobile_operators_fail.html</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> And a broken link for the 'Publications &<br>
>> Statistics' section:<br>
>> <a href="http://cck.go.ke/resc/" target="_blank">http://cck.go.ke/resc/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa:<br>
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>> About<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at<br>
>> 11:26 AM, James Mbugua <<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Adam,<br>
>> It might help if you read the CCK report itself<br>
>> on their website.<br>
>> James<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at<br>
>> 11:23 AM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com" target="_blank">adam@varud.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I guess the US regulators would step in about<br>
>> voice quality if it was bad in certain areas that the market<br>
>> wouldn't want to serve. The theory would be that the<br>
>> spectrum is a public asset licensed to the vendor in order<br>
>> to further the public good - and that part of the license<br>
>> terms are to satisfy the public good.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> This is why the US landline regulators force<br>
>> telephone companies to service very rural areas at the same<br>
>> price as more economically efficient urban<br>
>> areas.<br>
>> If CCK was saying that all of the operators<br>
>> needed to put masts in Turkana as part of a public good,<br>
>> that would be one thing. But just saying that voice<br>
>> quality is low in general and not backing it up with how<br>
>> that compares to international standards (they surely exist<br>
>> and the article discusses that Safaricom passed such<br>
>> international tests) seems like a pretty weak argument to<br>
>> me.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Of course, the writing in the Business Daily<br>
>> article is so muddled that it's hard to tell what's<br>
>> actually going on.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.ioMusings: <a href="http://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank">twitter.com/varud</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> About<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu,<br>
>> Jan 9, 2014 at 11:14 AM, James Mbugua <<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Adam,<br>
>> Is it standard in other countries or is the QoS a<br>
>> Kenyan/CCK feature? Then it might be a<br>
>> shakedown.<br>
>> James<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com" target="_blank">adam@varud.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> This seems like a shakedown to me.<br>
>> Everybody I know gets Safaricom if they can<br>
>> afford it (otherwise Airtel). The market can handle<br>
>> quality problems and the CCK can help by educating the local<br>
>> markets (i.e. local radio spots discussing carrier quality<br>
>> in each market).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --Kili.io -<br>
>> OpenStack for Africa: kili.ioMusings: <a href="http://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank">twitter.com/varud</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> About<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 9,<br>
>> 2014 at 11:07 AM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ICT secretary Fred Matiang’i has vowed to tie the renewal<br>
>> of Safaricom’s licence to the voice quality checks that<br>
>> show the mobile phone operator is non-compliant.<br>
>><br>
>> Dr Matiang’i said the government and the Communications<br>
>> Commission of Kenya (CCK) will not negotiate on the voice<br>
>> quality standards.<br>
>><br>
>> ....<br>
>><br>
>> “I don’t understand why an operator would like to<br>
>> negotiate a licence condition. There are only two options<br>
>> here, either comply or step out of the business,” Dr<br>
>> Matiang’i told the Business Daily on the sidelines of the<br>
>> launch of the electronic filling of returns by insurers to<br>
>> the Insurance Regulatory Authority.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Check more @<br>
>> <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Safaricom-licence-terms/-/539550/2139198/-/uvyr23/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Safaricom-licence-terms/-/539550/2139198/-/uvyr23/-/index.html</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ---<br>
>><br>
>> my comment? - Safaricom "ina weneyewe"<br>
>> translation for the international viewers "Safaricom<br>
>> has its owners" :-)<br>
>><br>
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