[kictanet] PSVs required to fit cameras, implement cashless payment, and fleet management systems

Baiju Shah baiju at tele2media.com
Mon Jan 6 21:14:25 EAT 2014


Hi All,

Very interesting discussion on new policy, in fact the government should consider the implementation of a single standard for payments like ITSO in the UK to provide interoperability between different modes of transport. e.g. If I use the train, matatu to get to work I should be able to buy or load a ticket on to a card, mobile phone or any other, which could be easily accepted by the different modes of transport operators. 

This will also enable some amount of regulation and discipline within the modal transport operators who could be measured on quality of service. This could also include behaviour on the road. Simple matrix could be developed, to provide the quality of transport that is available in many cities around the world. This also is away to ensure that the government is able to assure safety, in return be able to collect taxes to improve facilities for the commuters that could include footpaths and proper rest areas etc.

Furthermore, not too sure of the fleet management aspect of the policy as this is something that individual companies can choose to implement, is open to manipulation, this will not guarantee that the different companies are meeting their stated KPI's, and there is no way you can penalise the PSV it could be too late, additionally, all PSV drivers need to retest and get issued with proper driving licences that are not subject to fraud as a part of the regulation of the sector. 

There are many points that could be discussed, the important point is there is action being taken and if there is help required in thinking through the various policies and if it is going to make the daily commute easy we are here to help and advice.

Thanks

Best Regards,
Baiju Shah
Telemedia Africa Ltd
Tel. 0787332247 / 0701691570

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>   1. Re: PSVs required to fit cameras, implement cashless payment,
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>   2. Re: PSVs required to fit cameras, implement cashless payment,
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:58:02 +0300
> From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> I agree with the scheduling bit though i don't see how this can be divorced
> from the fares. I still insist transport should be primarily a govt affair.
> If not by ownership then by strict regulation inclusive of setting of
> fares, just like in Energy. if let loose we have the likes of Enron and our
> matatu culture as is. Some sectors cannot be left to market forces because
> market forces are largely an idyllic situation and manipulated to the core.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>> 
>> Digital Speed Governors aka Tachographs are a good idea.
>> 
>> We could start with that, get matatus on regular timed schedules, then
>> start selling electronic tickets for day, week & month, yearly. This you
>> pay for using Mpesa etc, but spot fares should be in cash.
>> 
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> 
>> Alliance Technologies
>> Nairobi, Kenya
>> 
>> www.A1.io
>>> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>>> will take effect by June 2014 where
>>> 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>>> 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>>> will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>>> 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>>> crimes, and terrorism
>>> 4. Install digital speed governors
>>> 
>>> This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>>> what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>>> payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>>> for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>>> commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>>> for the services.
>>> 
>>> And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>>> 205 Billion industry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>>> 
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> smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network 
> errors.
> 
> Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to 
> work all the time?
> 
> regards,
> 
> Alex
> 
>> On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
>> 
>> The hubris of those in power...
>> 
>> Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will 
>> work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!
>> 
>> On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain 
>> form of payment over others a violation of our rights to use The 
>> Kenyan Currency in our transactions?
>> 
>> Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they 
>> presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?
>> 
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> 
>> Alliance Technologies
>> Nairobi, Kenya
>> 
>> www.A1.io <http://www.A1.io>
>> 
>> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com 
>> <mailto:Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>>    will take effect by June 2014 where
>>    1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>>    2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>>    will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>>    3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>>    crimes, and terrorism
>>    4. Install digital speed governors
>> 
>>    This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>>    what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>>    payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>>    for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>>    commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>>    for the services.
>> 
>>    And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>>    205 Billion industry
>> 
>>    http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>> 
>>    --
>>    ______________________
>>    Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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> I totally agree with Mark. Public transport has and should always be looked
> at as a service of the government to the masses. Cameras and payment
> systems are just means of putting money into the pockets of a few companies
> or individuals and as such do not really help solve the problem. Think if
> the sector was run as a non profit (and in a sustainable manner) all would
> leave there cars at home and use the system. As we move forward think the
> thought of companies running the sector on commission of the government
> would also work. Auction off a licence 2-5 year to run the sector on behalf
> of the gov or counties with well laid out goals and guidelines as
> benchmarks. Off course infrastructure has to be put in place first like bus
> lanes everywhere, bus stops away from the main roads (thika rd and mombasa
> rd should not have bus stops) in short better planning.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Watila Alex <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network
>> errors.
>> 
>> Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to work
>> all the time?
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
>> 
>> The hubris of those in power...
>> 
>> Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will
>> work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!
>> 
>> On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain form of
>> payment over others a violation of our rights to use The Kenyan Currency in
>> our transactions?
>> 
>> Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they
>> presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?
>> 
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> 
>> Alliance Technologies
>> Nairobi, Kenya
>> 
>> www.A1.io
>>> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>>> will take effect by June 2014 where
>>> 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>>> 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>>> will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>>> 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>>> crimes, and terrorism
>>> 4. Install digital speed governors
>>> 
>>> This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>>> what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>>> payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>>> for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>>> commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>>> for the services.
>>> 
>>> And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>>> 205 Billion industry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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