[kictanet] Can technology solve terrorist problems in Kenya?

Tue Apr 15 14:40:40 EAT 2014

Simple solution, get a thief to catch a thief....eventually all/most of the
thieves are caught...

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:

> Brian,
>
> Without speaking for and/or behalf of Conrad, what I guess he meant is
> this; today, someone walks to Garissa Immigration office with 30K and they
> take his photo & fingerprints store them in a  DB somewhere and the guy
> walks out with an authentic Kenyan ID, just like you and me.
>
> When we implement this 'new' system, that will cost us a few billion
> shillings no-doubt, seeing that it is likely going to be procured by that
> same entity that couldn't procure a working eVoter system, someone will
> still walk to an office in Garissa with 30K, have his fingerprints,
> biometric and even DNA data uploaded into this system, and walk out an
> authentic Kenyan, just like you & me.
>
> If Makaburi could have walked to the US Embassy with 1M USD and gotten a
> diplomatic American Passport & Visa, what use are all those systems in the
> background that supposedly are implemented to check on false passports and
> visas?
>
> The question is, regardless of how much technology you throw at this, how
> would you stop the fundamental problem that is the corruption that pervades
> our institutions?
>
> One thing I learnt in Engineering school, if you get your first principles
> wrong, then everything else that's based on those principles will be
> fundamentally useless.
>
> The problem is we as a country have not learnt what our first principles
> should be.
>
> Regards
> Ngigi Waithaka
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','blongwe at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Conrad,
>>
>> I find it really offensive that you would paint every single police and
>> immigration officer as corrupt. I am sure that in our case (as in any other
>> country) it's a few bad apples. There are many men and women who faithfully
>> serve this country every day and are not what you describe.....
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Given it will be the same corrupt police and immigration officers running
>> this exercise, what will be the point?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <
>> Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>
>> Government to register all Kenyans afresh in digital database
>>
>> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Digital-database-for-all-kenyans/-/1950946/2279712/-/format/xhtml/-/uityfn/-/index.html
>>
>> I've always wondered why it's virtually impossible to get UK or US
>> citizenship through the back door, unless you get into a phony
>> marriage with a delinquent from those countries. Will setting up a
>> biometric database prevent rogue employees at the department of
>> registration from getting bribes to register foreigners as Kenyan
>> citizens? As far as I can remember, when I applied for the kipande,
>> all my 10 digits' prints were taken.
>>
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