[kictanet] Incompetence gallore
Adam Nelson
adam at varud.com
Wed Sep 25 15:50:13 EAT 2013
The idea that Nairobi's homicide rate is 4 per 100k when New York's is 6.4
per 100k just demonstrates how underreported the murder rate must be here -
which is even more depressing.
But anyway, now's not a time for arguing.
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
> James
>
> umeongea kama watu 100000
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:33 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4
>>
>> Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5
>>
>> Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit
>> 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.
>>
>> With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to
>> be done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society
>> and hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or
>> vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this
>> society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines
>> operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of
>> Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).
>>
>> We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like
>> NYC learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the
>> towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.
>>
>> Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly
>> individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a
>> problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade
>> every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is
>> usually enough.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru at zilojo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Adam,
>>>
>>> I agree with you on all the points below.
>>>
>>> The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is
>>> diabolical.
>>>
>>> When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who had
>>> just littered the street with a paper - that if he did not pick it up he
>>> would report him to the police...
>>>
>>> At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt. Which I
>>> promptly claim as a business expense.
>>>
>>> That helps reduce the tax I pay Ceaser each year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2013 11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>> I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and
>>> Grevillea Grove. He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some
>>> time. We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will come. On
>>> Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by a truck
>>> and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of
>>> the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
>>>
>>> How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most
>>> complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead
>>> body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
>>>
>>> I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's
>>> not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a
>>> disaster. It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government.
>>> Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most part,
>>> it just comes down to better management.
>>>
>>> I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just
>>> sad. In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up to
>>> Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the
>>> public safety system be reformed.
>>>
>>> 1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center
>>> 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so they
>>> can write tickets
>>> 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double pay
>>> but will be fired if found guilty of corruption
>>> 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a
>>> mountain bike)
>>> 5. All police equipped with a radio
>>>
>>> Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of
>>> anything?
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the
>>>> operation was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives
>>>> of hostages in a haphazard operation.
>>>>
>>>> The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29
>>>> To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
>>>>
>>>> Editorial from a Saudi Paper
>>>>
>>>> - Something wrong in Kenya
>>>>
>>>> There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the
>>>> Kenyan government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out of
>>>> Nairobi’s Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree that has
>>>> killed some 70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan authorities
>>>> need to be asking themselves some hard questions.
>>>>
>>>> This is a country which because it is actively involved in
>>>> combating Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very
>>>> highest state of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it
>>>> was an amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of
>>>> armed robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
>>>>
>>>> Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international attacks,
>>>> a deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which left 224
>>>> people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there was a
>>>> succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which
>>>> culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali refugee
>>>> camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
>>>>
>>>> It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking
>>>> Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by
>>>> African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to low-level
>>>> violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali border,
>>>> until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly
>>>> well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers managed to
>>>> negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital’s
>>>> roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without the
>>>> Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of what was
>>>> about to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks
>>>> at the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it
>>>> seems that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it
>>>> take almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams to
>>>> arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building evacuation
>>>> scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within the
>>>> complex?
>>>>
>>>> Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police
>>>> officers and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to
>>>> have been a series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible
>>>> for the safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when
>>>> heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and confused,
>>>> perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior
>>>> officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a
>>>> result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this
>>>> horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response to the
>>>> attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their killing
>>>> spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the mall.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate
>>>> mall can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi’s Jomo Kenyatta
>>>> International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the early
>>>> morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the
>>>> extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised major
>>>> questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The Westgate
>>>> tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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