[kictanet] Incompetence gallore
Agosta Liko
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Wed Sep 25 15:37:58 EAT 2013
James
umeongea kama watu 100000
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:33 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4
>
> Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5
>
> Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit
> 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.
>
> With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to be
> done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society and
> hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or
> vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this
> society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines
> operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of
> Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).
>
> We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like
> NYC learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the
> towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.
>
> Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly
> individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a
> problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade
> every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is
> usually enough.
>
> James
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru at zilojo.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> I agree with you on all the points below.
>>
>> The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is
>> diabolical.
>>
>> When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who had just
>> littered the street with a paper - that if he did not pick it up he would
>> report him to the police...
>>
>> At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt. Which I
>> promptly claim as a business expense.
>>
>> That helps reduce the tax I pay Ceaser each year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/25/2013 11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:
>>
>> I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and
>> Grevillea Grove. He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some
>> time. We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will come. On
>> Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by a truck
>> and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of
>> the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
>>
>> How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most
>> complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead
>> body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
>>
>> I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's
>> not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a
>> disaster. It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government.
>> Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most part,
>> it just comes down to better management.
>>
>> I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just
>> sad. In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up to
>> Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the
>> public safety system be reformed.
>>
>> 1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center
>> 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so they
>> can write tickets
>> 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double pay
>> but will be fired if found guilty of corruption
>> 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a
>> mountain bike)
>> 5. All police equipped with a radio
>>
>> Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of
>> anything?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
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>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the
>>> operation was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives
>>> of hostages in a haphazard operation.
>>>
>>> The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29
>>> To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
>>>
>>> Editorial from a Saudi Paper
>>>
>>> - Something wrong in Kenya
>>>
>>> There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the
>>> Kenyan government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out of
>>> Nairobi’s Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree that has
>>> killed some 70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan authorities
>>> need to be asking themselves some hard questions.
>>>
>>> This is a country which because it is actively involved in combating
>>> Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very highest state
>>> of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it was an
>>> amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of armed
>>> robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
>>>
>>> Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international attacks,
>>> a deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which left 224
>>> people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there was a
>>> succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which
>>> culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali refugee
>>> camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
>>>
>>> It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking
>>> Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by
>>> African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to low-level
>>> violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali border,
>>> until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly
>>> well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers managed to
>>> negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital’s
>>> roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without the
>>> Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of what was
>>> about to happen.
>>>
>>> Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks at
>>> the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it seems
>>> that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it take
>>> almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams to
>>> arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building evacuation
>>> scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within the
>>> complex?
>>>
>>> Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police officers
>>> and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to have been a
>>> series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible for the
>>> safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when
>>> heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and confused,
>>> perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior
>>> officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a
>>> result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this
>>> horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response to the
>>> attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their killing
>>> spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the mall.
>>>
>>> Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate
>>> mall can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi’s Jomo Kenyatta
>>> International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the early
>>> morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the
>>> extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised major
>>> questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The Westgate
>>> tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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