[kictanet] Incompetence gallore

Wed Sep 25 15:24:27 EAT 2013

I can assure you Adam you will get your PIN without a bribe. The basic
service level at KRA is highly streamlined.

Follow up through the Call Center / Service center:
http://www.revenue.go.ke/index.php/comlaints-and-information-centre

Regards

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On 25 September 2013 12:00, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:

> Josiah,
>
> How can you possibly fix it???  Tell the taxis out front to pay the city
> council fees?  They'll laugh in your face.  Maybe if iHub pays the fees for
> the taxis or something since they're the prime users?
>
> As for buying chai for the guards to let you park in select parking spots
> downstairs, that seems like a difficult thing to defend against unless you
> have an everybody pays policy.
>
>  As with everything else, only structural solutions will solve entrenched
> problems and it won't be easy.
>
> Best of luck,
> Adam
>
>  --
> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> Thanks for the info on the Bishop Magua parking. We definitely will be
>> looking into this. It is something that neither the iHub nor Ushahidi
>> management has been aware of.
>>
>> We certainly intend to do our bit in the fight against corruption.
>>
>> Josiah Mugambi
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm well enough off that I try not to bribe as often as possible.  When
>>> I first moved here, the policeman took the keys out of my car and I had no
>>> choice but to give him 1000ksh.
>>>
>>> I've now been pulled over approximately 10 times since then (ever 2
>>> weeks or so) and have successfully talked my way out of bribing every time.
>>>  I take the keys out of the ignition and put them into my pocket now
>>> (lesson learned).
>>>
>>> The parking people in front of iHub will take 100 bob for the day
>>> instead of 140 for city council but I almost always pay the full amount.
>>>
>>> The security officers at the iHub building also collect 100 bob for
>>> parking downstairs - I don't pay them, which is why I park out front.  If
>>> the home of Ushahidi can't even stop corruption on its doorstep, what
>>> chance is there?
>>>
>>> At the least however, I think people who can afford to pay the 40
>>> shillings should make the precedent - they'll sleep better at night.  If
>>> you can't afford it, I don't condemn you and I think you should continue to
>>> bribe.
>>>
>>> I've been waiting some time to get my PIN, we'll see if I can do that
>>> without a bribe - fingers crossed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
>>> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:24 AM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> Well noted.
>>>>
>>>> In Kenya we buy (bribe for) contracts/employment in government
>>>> (including the police and military) as we also do in the private sector.
>>>>
>>>> If your career begins with your family bribing to get you inside, it is
>>>> likely to continue with you becoming a major bribe collector.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly, public officials privately collect almost as much money for
>>>> themselves, as they collect for the state through legal/constitutional
>>>> channels.
>>>>
>>>> We in the private sector are as guilty as they are in practicing
>>>> corruption, in corrupting public officials. The end result is we best
>>>> "perform" for kickbacks not ethics.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2013 11:04 AM, "Adam Nelson" <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way
>>>>> and Grevillea Grove.  He was clearly beaten to death and been there for
>>>>> some time.  We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will
>>>>> come.  On Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by
>>>>> a truck and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd,
>>>>> one of the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most
>>>>> complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead
>>>>> body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
>>>>>
>>>>> I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's
>>>>> not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a
>>>>> disaster.  It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government.
>>>>>  Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most part,
>>>>> it just comes down to better management.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just
>>>>> sad.  In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up to
>>>>> Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the
>>>>> public safety system be reformed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center
>>>>> 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so
>>>>> they can write tickets
>>>>> 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double
>>>>> pay but will be fired if found guilty of corruption
>>>>> 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a
>>>>> mountain bike)
>>>>> 5. All police equipped with a radio
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of
>>>>> anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
>>>>> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>>>>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the
>>>>>> operation was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives
>>>>>> of hostages in a haphazard operation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>> Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29
>>>>>> To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Editorial from a Saudi Paper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    -  Something wrong in Kenya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the
>>>>>>    Kenyan government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out of
>>>>>>    Nairobi’s Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree that has
>>>>>>    killed some 70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan authorities
>>>>>>    need to be asking themselves some hard questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    This is a country which because it is actively involved in
>>>>>>    combating Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very
>>>>>>    highest state of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it
>>>>>>    was an amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of
>>>>>>    armed robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international
>>>>>>    attacks, a deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which
>>>>>>    left 224 people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there
>>>>>>    was a succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which
>>>>>>    culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali refugee
>>>>>>    camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking
>>>>>>    Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by
>>>>>>    African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to low-level
>>>>>>    violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali border,
>>>>>>    until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly
>>>>>>    well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers managed to
>>>>>>    negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital’s
>>>>>>    roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without the
>>>>>>    Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of what was
>>>>>>    about to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks
>>>>>>    at the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it
>>>>>>    seems that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it
>>>>>>    take almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams to
>>>>>>    arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building evacuation
>>>>>>    scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within the
>>>>>>    complex?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police
>>>>>>    officers and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to
>>>>>>    have been a series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible
>>>>>>    for the safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when
>>>>>>    heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and confused,
>>>>>>    perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior
>>>>>>    officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a
>>>>>>    result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this
>>>>>>    horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response to the
>>>>>>    attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their killing
>>>>>>    spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the mall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate
>>>>>>    mall can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi’s Jomo Kenyatta
>>>>>>    International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the early
>>>>>>    morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the
>>>>>>    extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised major
>>>>>>    questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The Westgate
>>>>>>    tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>
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