[kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.

[Zaipuna Yonah]

Dr. Ndemo,

I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.

Regards

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On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Eng. Dr. Yonah,
> The average is one of the measures of central tendency.  It is not used
> without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear picture.
> You always should know the range and the standard deviation.  We usually
> use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate.  In a
> population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected
> randomly, it can vary but not too much.  There is always a problem with
> data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind
> authentic data.  There are numerous occasions when people lie with
> statistics.
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> In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have looked
> at the methodology which is always not given although it is a requirement
> in such data.
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> Ndemo.
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> > Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I once
> read
> > called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason!  It is always
> misleading
> > when you  report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings
> > especially
> > using averages!
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> > In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the
> > mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only
> extracts
> > the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE NOISE if
> > indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the
> average
> > is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the reported
> > figures!
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> > Once again, thanks Walu.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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> >
> > __________________________________
> > *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
> > *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
> > *P. O. Box 32736*
> > *Dar es Salaam*
> > *Tanzania*
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> > *Fax: +255--732-920133*
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> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
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> >> It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining
> >> "affordability"
> >> across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an
> >> objective ranking.
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> >> ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes. Consider the
> >> following:
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> >> If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the dollar
> >> focus
> >> :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries a
> >> 1mbs
> >> Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two countries
> >> enjoys cheaper internet services?
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> >> 50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while 50%
> >> Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you like to
> >> live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where its
> >> 25%
> >> of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive as
> >> Country B.
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> >> Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services
> >> (even
> >> though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both
> >> countries).
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> >> not sure if its clearer or worse :-)
> >> walu.
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> >> On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband
> >> Internet in E-Africa.
> >> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" <
> >> i-network at dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
> >> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
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> >> Dear Walu,
> >> Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the
> >> mammon called dollarization? I am just
> >> curious!
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> http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanzanian-Economy.pdf/
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> >> We surely have a long way to go in creating our
> >> own information even though we have our own knowledge about
> >> issues like this.
> >> Keep thinking and discussing...
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> >> Regards
> >>
> >> __________________________________
> >> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
> >> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
> >> P. O. Box
> >> 32736
> >> Dar es
> >> Salaam
> >> Tanzania
> >> Tel:
> >> +255-784-786429
> >> Fax:
> >> +255--732-920133
> >> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
> >> ===============================
> >> It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
> >> Technology for
> >> Humanity!===============================
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> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013
> >> at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
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> >> @Brian,
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> >> this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar
> >> to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their
> >> research output for various reasons - including lying :-).
> >> In which case we should at least stop being members and save
> >> the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been
> >> around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms
> >> and we should at least give their report some little respect
> >> and attention.
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> >> But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research
> >> like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with
> >> Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has
> >> the most affordable internet services. From the quick
> >> reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT
> >> Africa failed to do was that they did not
> >> "normalize" their figures.
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> >> What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in
> >> the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still
> >> considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials
> >> in national income levels i.e. they are not equally
> >> affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to
> >> spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
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> >> So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT
> >> report against national income levels, we would most likely
> >> arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
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> >> walu.
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> >> On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the
> >> cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
> >>
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>
> >> Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network at dgroups.org>,
> >> "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
> >> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> >> Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
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> >> It's a lie, I am here and
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> >> frustrated with high costs of broadband...
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> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
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> >> 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com>
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> >> wrote:
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> >> How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
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> >> to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
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> >> studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
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> >> customer knows the truth!
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> >> Regards
> >>
> >> __________________________________
> >>
> >> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
> >>
> >> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
> >>
> >> P. O. Box
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> >> 32736
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> >> Dar es
> >>
> >> Salaam
> >>
> >> Tanzania
> >>
> >> Tel: +255-784-786429
> >>
> >> Fax: +255--732-920133
> >>
> >> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
> >>
> >> ===============================
> >>
> >> It is About Engineering People's
> >> Lives! & Advancing
> >>
> >> Technology for
> >>
> >> Humanity!===============================
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> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
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> >> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
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> >> Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
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> >> This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and
> >> TZ
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> >> by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
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> >> conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
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> >> respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet
> >> costs.
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> >> But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
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> >> tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
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> >> ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally
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> >> Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
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> >> Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
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> >> differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his
> >> salary
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> >> to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
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> >> Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull
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> http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS2013-exec-sum_E.pdf
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> >> @ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
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