[kictanet] Cyber Cop

Tue Mar 19 18:40:41 EAT 2013



I speak of control at this point how does regulation fit in?
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:26 AM PDT Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:

>True about Egypt, but that was to extend the Govts iron-grasp on the
>populace. Is there any country in Africa with as much civil liberty as
>Kenya? Let us not look the gift horse in the mouth...
>
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>On Mar 19, 2013 4:44 PM, "meshack emakunat" <memakunat at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Just for thought Egypt shut down internet during the Arab uprising in 2011.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:21 AM PDT Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) wrote:
>>
>> >Brian,
>> >I agree with you that the insanity on social media has gone beyond
>> >mere expression or opinion. The gloves are so off. There are too many
>> >instances where people are commenting without regard for the rights
>> >and reputations of others. It is as if the various camps have brought
>> >out their best propaganda machinery...and it keeps getting nastier as
>> >the election/ petition proceeds. And the intolerance! Why on earth do
>> >we have to abuse someone for their opinion? Didn't our foreparents
>> >fight so hard for plurality?
>> >
>> >On agenda four, maybe we missed the bus at the truth and
>> >reconciliation stop. But all is not lost and it is just wrong for
>> >people to keep stirring ethnic/sectarian emotions in the name of
>> >communal anger. Haven't we always been angry? Why is the anger more
>> >urgent now?
>> >
>> >Action should be taken towards those inciting others. I agree with
>> >Macharia Gaitho, someone needs to stop this social media violence!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2013/3/19 Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>:
>> > Emmanuel,
>> >
>> > Thanks for setting me straight, this is clear evidence of the ignorance
>> I
>> > alluded to as I began my previous post :)
>> >
>> > On a more serious note and once again, thank you so much for bringing
>> this
>> > out, Agenda Four is a very critical part of our Nationhood. As you have
>> > pointed out, the media might seem to have lost focus, forgotten or
>> ignored
>> > it's importance.
>> >
>> > But on issues of such grave importance as the Agenda Four - couldn't it
>> also
>> > be argued that all stakeholders have failed in their roles?
>> >
>> > The two principals
>> > International Civil Society
>> > Local Civil Society
>> > Various relevant organs of Government
>> > Legal Fraternity
>> > Media Houses
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Emmanuel Khisa <
>> oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Brian,
>> >
>> > I did not refer to blackout on politicians.
>> >
>> > The media has been failing in their role as interrogators of the deeper
>> > issues of Agenda four...Please note the following as regards the
>> national
>> > accord:
>> >
>> > The National Accord
>> >
>> > The two parties agreed to tackle four main agenda items to end the
>> > political crisis and address its underlying causes.
>> >
>> > Agenda Item 1: Immediate Action to Stop Violence and Restore Fundamental
>> > Rights.
>> > Agenda Item 2: Addressing the Humanitarian Crisis, and Promoting Healing
>> > and Reconciliation.
>> > Agenda Item 3: How to Overcome the Political Crisis (power sharing).
>> > Agenda Item 4: Tackling Long-term Issues.
>> >
>> > Agenda four addresses the long standing issues of Land, Equity and other
>> > causative factors of ethnic violence ( PEV included). This does not
>> screem
>> > any politician's name, it simply means this so called Mantra of PEACE
>> has
>> > been used to cloud our collective psychie as a country. The problem with
>> > this is that today you think Kenya is peaceful just because we are able
>> to
>> > drive around Nairobi and go for our nyama choma sessions in Naivasha or
>> > Kajiado...what we forget is that so far we have no report on the Tana
>> River
>> > Violence, Baragoi Massacre, Garrisa and NE province violence, simmering
>> > conflicts in Kwale and the entire coast...We are all glued to our TVs
>> very
>> > ready to embrace "PEACE" while conviniently avoiding the topics listed
>> as
>> > grievances...
>> >
>> > So Mr. Munyao, it is very critical that we begin to not use the
>> > responsibility of Cyber use as a pannacea for all the ills facing the
>> > country for ventilating we must late people ventilate..and the
>> institutions
>> > charged with these responsibilities must use the tones and trends of
>> > discussion online to map out issues that need addressing...and The MEDIA
>> > must be key here....The Agenda Four items will not address themselve
>> and yet
>> > it is these issues..longstanding that will slow down the currently
>> raging
>> > tribal sentiments on the internet.
>> >
>> > My thoughts,
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <
>> blongwe at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Please excuse my ignorance but in responding to Emmanuel's input I
>> don't
>> >> see the relationship between media's black out on politicians and the
>> >> insanity on social media.
>> >>
>> >> Let's put this in context - the media blackout affects a select few -
>> the
>> >> political elite who are looking for a platform to push their own
>> personal
>> >> and political agendas. The blackout has to a certain extent protected
>> >> Kenyans from their inflammatory statements.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, the social media activity involves hundreds, if not
>> >> thousands of individuals who are expressing their personal opinions (as
>> >> negative and unsavoury as those might be). I place emphasis here on
>> >> *expressing their opinion*. The fact that they are using social media
>> as one
>> >> of the channels where their opinion gets aired is simply that, a
>> matter of
>> >> fact. I am sure that they express the same opinion in their homes, over
>> >> their phones, in their hair salons, bars, classrooms, gyms etc...This
>> is
>> >> because the opinion belongs to them.
>> >>
>> >> Let us not be naive and try to separate the opinion from the individual
>> >> behind it. That to me, is the more important issue. A tribal tirade on
>> >> social media is indicative of a tribal opinion held by an individual
>> with
>> >> tribal beliefs. Solve the basic problem of promoting Kenyanness, unity
>> and a
>> >> non-tribal outlook and I believe that strides begin to be made towards
>> >> solving the problem.
>> >>
>> >> My two cents,
>> >>
>> >> Brian
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> John F. Kennedy - “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will
>> >> make violent revolution inevitable”
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Emmanuel Khisa [mailto:oloo.khisa at googlemail.com]
>> >> Sent: March 19, 2013 9:50 AM
>> >> To: Edith Adera
>> >> Cc: oloo.khisa at gmail.com; KICTAnet - Media Editors Forum; KICTAnet ICT
>> >> Policy Discussions
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cyber Cop
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> +1,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Indeed cyber responsiblilty is not a standalone initiative...cyber
>> >> exists as a channel for expressing the societal views and does not
>> therefore
>> >> exist on its on...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The day we realise that gagging the traditional media does not work in
>> >> the 21st century internet age we will start making steps to tackle the
>> >> difficult issues the SOUL of the country is struggling with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We can make noise about responsible internet use but for as long as the
>> >> media blacks out channels of communications, blogsphere will remain
>> the only
>> >> media of expression for the populace...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> IMHO we are a country that is quick to bury its head in the sand and
>> now
>> >> we are left with a simmering problem on Agenda 4 which remain
>> unattended to
>> >> and which is awaiting an opportune time to explode..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regard
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bwana Ndemo,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As I reflected on your unenviable job as a “cyber cop” (watching you on
>> >> The Trend last Friday) and stumbled on this article by Gaitho entitled
>> “The
>> >> demented postings on social media must stop before blood flows”
>> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/446672/1723754/-/ee6vonz/-/index.html it
>> >> occurred to me that we probably need something deeper, while we must
>> address
>> >> the madness online.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You’re on record here advocating for policy/decision-making based on
>> >> empirical/research evidence. I recall your spirited campaign about the
>> >> Cancer Bill that MPs excitedly passed without the benefit of scientific
>> >> evidence as to “the actual cause of cancers in Kenya”. You argued that
>> you
>> >> wished they did not get excited about addressing the symptoms of the
>> >> problem, but the root cause.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As you crack down on cyber haters (to address the symptoms of the
>> >> problem), could we also ask ourselves a couple of questions (listers,
>> feel
>> >> free to add more questions) to get to the ROOT CAUSE of this ANGER:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *why are people so angry?
>> >>
>> >> *is this anger only in cyberspace?
>> >>
>> >> *If not, to what extent is it a reflection of simmering (unexpressed)
>> >> anger on the ground?
>> >>
>> >> *what are the implications of unexpressed anger?
>> >>
>> >> *why are people comfortable to express such deep anger online and not
>> >> offline? What are they afraid of?
>> >>
>> >> *How can long-lasting co-existence be achieved, once and for all?
>> >>
>> >> * etc etc etc
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Someone has work to do as we try to address the short-term symptoms –
>> is
>> >> it the academic community? or pollsters can have a post-election job
>> to do?
>> >> I don’t know, but the RROT CAUSE, we must find including the solutions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Reflective Edith
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > Oloo Khisa
>> > P.O. Box 24324-00100
>> > Nairobi
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>> >Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
>> >Kenya
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