[kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance

Sun Jan 13 20:27:50 EAT 2013

Hi,

However much we might not like what cofek is doing do not forget that we created this monster when we applauded them for the CCK DG issue.

What I give him credit for is that he does not just seat back and tweet issues but gets funding so that he can take action on issues he feels passionate about, we can not even raise funds to hold a coffee brain storming session.

We should be able to present our case the the larger public but this cannot be done through social media.

Regards

Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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 From: Andy G <andy.gesora at gmail.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 18:09
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance

At times you wonder whether making "noise" is just a matter of being relevant, I highly doubt Cofek represents me as a consumer... Not that i am biased, but on what basis / agreement with the consumer does Cofek portend to be the rep?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

Arbitration works where two parties that had an agreement disagree.
>In this matter, COFEK has cooked up grievances and created a problem where there wasnt one. How will an arbitrator help? Maybe a psychiatrist is what is needed...
>Mblayo
>    cell: +254715964281
>#*****TRON LIVES*****#
>On Jan 13, 2013 4:40 PM, "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Question is Arbitration an option?
>>
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:57 AM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>> We are setting a bad precendence here that most people did not bother to
>>> ask why the entire world is migrating to Digital.  No one seems to
>>> understand that we are behind schedule already.  It took Britain and US
>>> eight years to fully migrate.  Indeed the minimum time you need to fully
>>> migrate is five years.  We have three years remaining before ITU switches
>>> off.  Why does Africa always seek for extensions even where we do not need
>>> any.  India whose per capita income is similar to ours is moving without
>>> law suits.  I am worried about us that even if God were to give us Jesus
>>> time table of his second coming, we shall see people asking that we get
>>> extra time.  To be a competitive nation we must move with the rest.
>>>
>>> This hopeless agenda by cofek will delay our LTE initiatives and make
>>> Kenya a laggard in matters ICT when we have become the envy of many
>>> nations.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>> Tanzania is definitely a progress nation that will definitely beat us to
>>>> the industrialization finish line, now you understand why they are
>>>> avoiding total market integration as this do not want regressive &
>>>> litigious Kenyans going there to complicate  a system in motion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>> Kenya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 14:46
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IN SUMMARY
>>>>    * The five members states had agreed to go digital three years ahead of
>>>> global schedule to ensure that they have ample time to fix any unforeseen
>>>> glitches and enable them comply with 2015 global deadline.
>>>>    * However, only Tanzania adhered to the deadline by moving Dar-es-Salaam
>>>> to the new system.
>>>>    * Policy makers say the move will give Tanzania an advantage in
>>>> correcting technical hurdles that the country may encounter along the way
>>>> as it migrates other part of the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A survey by Xinhua in Tanzania reveals that five out of 20 people they
>>>> interviewed in Arusha cannot access their favourite free-to- air channels
>>>> since the dealers of the gadgets mostly pay television providers who are
>>>> asking for a monthly fee Tsh9000(Sh489).
>>>> Only five out of 20 people interviewed in Dar es Salaam by Xinhua said
>>>> they have access to television broadcasts.
>>>> “We only have useless boxes in our living rooms for we cannot access any
>>>> stations without a decoder,” George Kaniki of Mbezi Louis, Dar es
>>>> Salaam, said in an interview.
>>>> According to a programme by the Tanzania Communications Regulatory
>>>> Authority (TCRA), regions set to follow in the switch- off will be Dodoma
>>>> and Tanga, whose analogue signals will be deactivated by the end of this
>>>> month.
>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Dar-offers-hard-lessons-on-switch-to-digital-TV/-/1248928/1661608/-/item/1/-/c7587vz/-/index.html
>>>>
>>>> On 11 January 2013 13:26, Henry Maina <henry at article19.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Find some quick and raw thoughts after the decision of the Court today on
>>>>> the phased digital switchover.
>>>>>
>>>>> ARTICLE 19 believes in the promise of digital switchover but also clearly
>>>>> understands that we must develop proper measures to mitigate any results
>>>>> of the transition that may undermine  diversity, openness and access.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> HENRY O. MAINA
>>>>> DIRECTOR
>>>>> ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA
>>>>> P O BOX 2653,00100
>>>>> NAIROBI
>>>>> TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2
>>>>> FAX:+254 (20) 3862231
>>>>> EMAIL: henry at article19.org
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: kictanet
>>>>> [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of
>>>>> Stephen Mutoro [smutoro at yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: 19 December 2012 09:20 PM
>>>>> To: Henry Maina
>>>>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for thinking for consumers in a more broad and realistic spectrum
>>>>> (including rural proletariats) beyond the minority but noisy middle to
>>>>> higher income Nairobi CBD/Upper Hill techies  who are obsessed about 4+G
>>>>> when millions of others can't access 2-G. There is nothing like "mass
>>>>> ignorance" or "mass intelligence" on a matter of human/consumer rights as
>>>>> ably articulated within Consumer Protection Act, 2012 (which took effect
>>>>> on December 13).
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen Mutoro
>>>>> www.cofek.co.ke
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Digital broadcast is great, no doubt about that, and the benefits are
>>>>>> boundless. But let us not be elitist in the way we conduct the
>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can free the airwaves, and create thousands of digital channels
>>>>>> and jobs, but if I in Kibera and Mathare, I cannot afford to buy a
>>>>>> setbox in the next year, I will be forced to use by TVbox as a stool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let those with money migrate, and let the poor enjoy the poor quality
>>>>>> analog signal in peace until set boxes are dirt cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, to reach a consensus, give us cheap subsidized
>>>>>> digital set boxes, say at 500bob, marked GoK, and give us adequate
>>>>>> time to buy them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember, 2000bob is my dinner for a month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You switched off my phone, which I bought with hard earned cash, then
>>>>>> you switch of my TV! Next you will switch of my radio, then ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/12/2012, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>>> Consumer Federation of Kenya (COFEK) has gone to court to stop the
>>>>>>> planned
>>>>>>> Digital Switchover in Nairobi at the end of this month.  This is most
>>>>>>> unfortunate considering the fact that the current analogue broadcast
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> been the most discriminating.  Majority of Kenyans have not seen the
>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>> of communication that Digital offers (this is what the constitution
>>>>>>> demands).  In the new platform we have seen more vernacular channels
>>>>>>> delivering news in a language that people understand and relate to.
>>>>>>>  It
>>>>>>> therefore surprises me when an organization such as COFEK moves to
>>>>>>> court
>>>>>>> to protect an elitist broadcast platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further every one new channel creates more than thirty new jobs.
>>>>>>>  There
>>>>>>> are more than one hundred and fifty new applications awaiting
>>>>>>> clearance to
>>>>>>> start digital broadcast.  Twenty of these are already on air.  If we
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> two hundred new broadcasters, we shall have achieved our quest for
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> a pluralistic and diversified broadcast environment.  In whose
>>>>>>> interest is
>>>>>>> COFEK advancing the agenda of maintaining monopolistic practices in
>>>>>>> Kenyan
>>>>>>> Media? Does COFEK really understands the seriousness of unemployment
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Kenya?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cost of not migrating is far too great than biting the bullet now
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> enable frequency spectrum to be used in more productive and inclusive
>>>>>>> manner.  The benefits of mobile operators moving from 2G to 3G are
>>>>>>> glaring.  We need to scale up to 4G and create a robust last mile
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> will reduce the rural urban digital divide; that will create an
>>>>>>> enabling
>>>>>>> playing field when we start delivering new local content to schools
>>>>>>> country-wide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of the world has migrated and they fully understand why we need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> free up spectrum. EAC member states agreed on the December 31st
>>>>>>> deadline
>>>>>>> and Tanzania for example has committed itself to this agreed deadline
>>>>>>> despite not having a completed the national roll-out of the digital
>>>>>>> signal. In Kenya we have adopted a phased plan starting from Nairobi.
>>>>>>> Technology changes every six months and Kenya must remain at the
>>>>>>> technological edge in order to remain the true hub of Africa.  We
>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>> be exercising freedom without any responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is where we are going wrong, the digital migration has nothing
>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>> with digital TV sets its about how the signal will be transmitted,
>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>> try and see the bigger picture here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we moved from analogue internet connectivity where you needed a
>>>>>>>> modem
>>>>>>>> to the digital transmission where you needed a DTU/ADSL/Dongle why
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> you please with the government to stop the importation of Pentium
>>>>>>>> processor based computers or 14" monitors or AT keyboards so that
>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>> could transition?  If you remember the ISPs never even gave us a
>>>>>>>> transition period and some never even implemented analogue
>>>>>>>> connectivity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the same case with the digital TV migration, you do not need
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> digital TV to benefit from the new method of transmission all that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> changing is the equivalent of your analogue modem with a digital
>>>>>>>> receiver
>>>>>>>> and nothing more, also remember that this transition is a world wide
>>>>>>>> project and it would be foolhardy to try and stop the oncoming train.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As Kenyans, we have proven time and time again that we are resilient
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> innovative, we turned off "fake" phones and on the following day they
>>>>>>>> where getting reactivated thanks to the power of google, turn off the
>>>>>>>> analogue signal tomorrow and we shall have 500/- decoders available
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> sale along the streets of Nairobi, keep postponing the switchoff and
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> will be no meaning uptake of the digital devices, have you registered
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> election yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All this noise from the entrenched media houses that we are
>>>>>>>> propagating
>>>>>>>> has nothing to do with if Kenyans with black and white TVs can afford
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> buy the decoder but more on trying to delay the shift of broadcasting
>>>>>>>> power to a more open platform, so before you come to the defense of
>>>>>>>> Linus
>>>>>>>> and his ilk find out whose agenda you are promoting, instead of
>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>> forward and responding to the discussion going on here of which I am
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> they are listening, they send mercenaries .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Ndemo, I again say kudos and tell you keep the course and do what
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> right for the Nation and avoid being distracted by those with selfish
>>>>>>>> agendas, deliver on this and Konza has a better chance of seeing the
>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>> of day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: meshack emakunat <memakunat at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>>>> Cc: Meshack <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 16:48
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear list
>>>>>>>> I read this thread and all i see is the "the cart before the horse".
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> believe Mr gitahi was referring to affordability rather compatibility
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> adaptability. @Robert, don't you think Kenyans should be given enough
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> to migrate rather than have a paradigm shift in tech use. I think
>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>> should ban the importation of analog TV as somebody suggested earlier
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> will have a gradual change till 2015
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