[kictanet] Music Piracy in Kenya - Government can Help

Fri Sep 28 18:57:38 EAT 2012

Yes Ali.

There is no problem in people wanting to sell their this is happening

There are OTHER people who are selling the same music illegally OR just giving it away and making revenue in advertising from their portal. This is what we are challenging.

Regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke] 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:22 PM
To: Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited]
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Music Piracy in Kenya - Government can Help

John

Good luck! 

Could be useful to follow the story and thinking of how Apple got the music industry to agree to put the biggest portfolio of music on iTunes at $.99 a pop. Interesting Lessons there. 

Ali Hussein

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On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:29 AM, "Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited]" <bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:

> BTW,
> 
> We must all understand that it's very difficult for someone sitting in 
> Turkey or Netherlands to know that Njoroge's song in Nyeri is 
> currently the top song.
> 
> It's my believe that someone in Kenya is feeding these sites with info 
> or content. Someone in Kenya is benefiting from this content.
> 
> One interesting thing is that a local company that infringed on our 
> copyright had the same spelling mistake on our content as two other 
> infringers (including WAPKID). 2 of these have confirmed that they got 
> content from a local organisation. Its possible that WAPKID got this 
> content from this same organization.
> 
> Anyway, we are proceeding to court on this matter tomorrow so I shall 
> have to say very little from this moment.
> 
> Thank you everyone for your help so far and incase I can't comment 
> much further, it's because I am advised to not (some court process stuff).
> 
> Regards
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On 
> Behalf Of Alex Comninos
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:14 PM
> To: bkioko at bernsoft.com
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Music Piracy in Kenya - Government can Help
> 
> What way for Kenya?
> 
> Disclaimer: I am neither Kenyan, nor know much about the legislative 
> and regulatory environment there.
> 
> On 27 September 2012 18:37, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>> Organised online piracy is hard to beat especially if hosting is done 
>> on some distant islands. We saw how the internet community rushed to 
>> the aid of Kim Dotcom of megauploads fame.
> 
> Some with very good reason! There were many negative effects of taking 
> down Megaupload; many people used the site for legitimate purposes:
> for sending, sharing  and storing files.
> 
> Furthermore, MegaUpload was not operating much differently then sites 
> like dropbox and YouTube, which also occasionally unwittingly sometime 
> have copyright infringing content. These companies, including 
> MegaUpload responded to DMCA requests, and had easy mechanisms for 
> reporting copyright violations and requesting takedowns. What if these 
> domains are also taken down or blocked on the same grounds?
> 
>> The only solution in my
>> informed view is to have offending domains/IPs blacklisted by our 
>> local ISPs, although that would require high level cooperation, and 
>> would raise issues of net-neutrality. Elsewhere, giant Intelectual 
>> Property owners have gone through WIPO/ICANN to disable and prosecute 
>> copyright violators.
> 
> IP address blocking, which would possibly affect net neutrality and 
> freedom of expression.
> 
> RE: DOMAIN AND IP ADDRESS BLOCKING
> 
> Domains can change in seconds, and users can learn almost as fast as 
> this what the new one. The WAPKIDs site has a number of other domains 
> with the word WAP in it that perform the same function.
> 
> IP addresses can also change just as fast.
> 
> I would hope that Kenya goes a way that would balance copyright 
> enforcement concerns with human rights concerns. What would be the 
> unintended consequences of blocking domains and IP addresses?
> 
> Blocking a domain can have chilling effects on freedom of expression 
> and association. Firstly the said domains may host legal as well as 
> illegal content. It is hard to generalise about a domain that acts as 
> an intermediary for uploads and downloads- whether it is an illegal or 
> legal site. Mistakes can also be made by domain blockers which can 
> inadvertantly censor legitimate content.
> 
> Blocking IPs in addition to interfering with the efficient function of 
> the internet, can also have alot of collateral damage in the form of 
> inadvertant censorship. A large part, if not most of the internet, is on shared hosting.
> Blocking an IP can can result in the blocking of all other websites on 
> that IP, most of which in a shared hosting situation are not 
> associated and do not even know anyone else on that host. Blocking IPs 
> can silence the average Joe on the Internet, be he/she a blogger, a 
> website developer or struggling musician.
> 
> if there is ever a blocklist provided to ISPs in Kenya, who controls 
> this list? How can we be sure that the management of this list is not 
> politically influenced? Will the maintenance of the list be transparent.
> 
>> internet focused enforcement measures to combat online copyright 
>> infringement, including:
>> 1. Graduated response culminating in suspension of internet access 2. 
>> Traffic shaping 3. Blocking (URL, IP, port, protocol) 4. Using the 
>> domain name system (domain seizure).
>> 5. Criminalising copyright infringement by illegal content consumers 
>> 6. Turning to cloud storage servers (cyberlockers) Probably Kenya 
>> should consider walking one of those paths.
>> 7. Expanding the pool of internet intermediaries as agents for 
>> enforcement
>> 
>> Which way for Kenya?
> 
> 1. If one is being monitored for the amount of times one connects to 
> certain domains, one is effectively surveiled. There are privacy consequences here.
> Such systems would be open to abuse as well, and would have to be very 
> transparent.
> 
> 2. The nature of content cannot ascertain its legaility. This would 
> also entail surveilance, as under point one.
> 
> 3. Domains and IP discussed above. Discriminating by port or protocol 
> would not be fair. I could be downloading a legal Ubuntu distro, 
> Creative Commons material, or all number of things through Bittorrent, 
> for example. Would packets then need to be sniffed? Now there is more 
> surveilance, in addition to the sites one visits being monitored, the 
> contents of files and packets are analysed.
> 
> 4. Using the Domain Name System (Siezing domains)? I am not sure what 
> this entails. Please elaborate. I am no expert on internet governance, 
> but this would entail radically altering the structure of the 
> internet. MPAA has even taking fiddling with the DNS system off the 
> table http://mashable.com/2012/01/17/mpaa-sopa-pipa/
> 
>> 6. Turning to cloud storage servers (cyberlockers)
> Like Megaupload?
> 
> Many options off the table
> 
>> 7. Expanding the pool of internet intermediaries as agents for 
>> enforcement
> So running out of options, if governments and the music industry 
> cannot solve the problem, they must pressure intermediaries to enforce copyright?
> 
> Intermediaries are just the pipes, they are neither aware of nor 
> actively propagate content on their networks. If a user accesses a 
> copyrighted file, say from WAPKID, It should be the copyright 
> infringer, not the network operator or ISP responsible for the violation.
> 
> Limitations on the liability of intermediaries are vital for the 
> successful functioning of the information society and information 
> economy. This is why intermediaries are protected from liability for 
> copyright infringement under the DMCA in America, under the EU 
> Commerce Directive, under the Electronic Communications and 
> Transactions Act in South Africa, and in many other countries.
> 
> When under the legislation listed above, intermediaries acting as 
> hosts must respond to takedown requests for valid cases of copyright 
> infringement, and they must respond to all legal requests in any given 
> country. To qualify, it is suggested under these legislations that 
> there should probably be a take down system. Intermediaries lose their 
> liability once they are aware of the content by means of a take-down 
> notice, so need to take seriously takedown requests. Is there such a 
> take-down system in Kenya. Any such system should be transparent and offers all affected parties recourse to appeal.
> 
> I become concerned when holding intermediaries liable for infringement 
> beyond when they are hosting it becomes problematic. To enforce 
> copyright, with regards to ACCESS to sites such as WAPKid.
> Intermediaries would be required to implement a number of methods that 
> may be considered censorship or surveilance e.g. packet sniffing, 
> filtering, keeping records on sites accessed by users etc.
> 
> Such a system of intermediary which aims to get intermediaries to 
> enforce on users punishments so that they do not downloading content - 
> The "three strikes and you are out"/HADOPI framework in France - has 
> had many human rights implications and problems with implementation.
> 
> See this scenario:
> http://www.cnet.com.au/french-illegal-downloads-agency-hadopi-may-be-a
> bolish
> ed-339341011.htm
> 
> Lastly, I recommend this paper as a critique of an intermediary 
> liability approach to enforcing copyright:
> http://www.giswatch.org/fr/node/512
> 
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