[kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12

Tue Nov 13 06:06:57 EAT 2012

Understand telephony was really never 'private' business. Also try to understand that at the time the first ITUs were done, some of the recommendations made sense. ITU has to figure out how to remain relevant, unfortunately they are still thinking in the proverbial box as far as some recommendations go, like the clauses 6.0.3/4, 54B, trying to figure out QOS etc. what I can tell from these is the Internet won't be the Internet as we know it. I expect changes major changes in the current open model to something more 'service focused' end to end ie start forgetting neutrality.:-)

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On 12 Nov 2012, at 23:08, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Walu
> I am wondering if we need international regulation for private business arrangements. Still reading. 
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:00 -0800
> From: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12
> CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com
> 
> Wambua,
> 
> Thanax again. I have some further submission, you may wish to digest and respond on tomorrow.  Mostly based on the fact that these ITU Regulations have expanded the scope of Telecommunications to included "ICTs" (read Internet).  My coments are therefore based on the perspective of these proposed regulations as they would apply to the Internet Market Sector.
> 
> regards,
> walu.
> *****************comments in RED----, Proposed Changes in Italics as below------.
> 
> 38A 4.3A Members States shall ensure transparency of end-user prices and the provision of clear information on how to access the services and the prices thereof, in particular to avoid unreasonable or surprising bills for international services (e.g. mobile roaming and data roaming), and shall ensure that Operating Agencies take the necessary measures to fulfill these requirements.
> 
> This one very interesting. But international internet interconnection charges are currently private commercial arrangements and will be interesting to see how this private contracts would now be open to Regulatory scrutiny. Either way, Internet International Interconnection charges have dropped significantly and not sure how Regulatory access to the same would have any impact i.e. reduce them further..
> 
> ###
> 6.0.3 Member States shall promote cost oriented wholesale pricing.
> 
> Who says cost oriented wholesale pricing is the best option - particularly within the Internet Markets? And what evidence do we have that wholesale pricing would reduce prices at retail level? Would be happy to review such evidence.
> 
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> 6.0.4 Member States shall take measures to ensure that fair compensation is received for carried traffic (e.g. interconnection or termination).
> 
> I dont understand this one. But it looks borrowed from the Telephone world where Incoming calls from say Europe into Kenya would result in Telkom Kenya pocketing some good revenue. Unfortunately this model does not work on the Internet simply because an Internet Call (skype) from Europe would NOT travel in a single straight line from Europe to Kenya. It may take multiple paths and so makes such a charging mechanism difficult to apportion accross these multiple paths.
> 
> 
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> 6.0.5 Member States shall ensure that their regulatory frameworks drive the Operating Agencies to establish mutual commercial agreements with providers of international communication applications and services in alignment with principles of fair competition, innovation, adequate quality of service and security.
> 
> Why this? I thought this is the natural and typical objective and practice of Operating Agencies (Telcos/ISPs) in a free market economy . Why would we want to put it in law or under ITU recommendations? There could be a benefit but it is not immediately clear.
> ####
> 
> 6.0.6 The Member States shall take measures to ensure that Operating Agencies have the right to charge providers of international communication applications and services appropriate access charges based on the agreed quality of service.
> 
> This could be the contentious one. Where Infrastructure guys aim to have additional pay from Content guys based on the traffic volume generated say by Google, Akamai, NationMedia, etc. Not sure its a good thing since Content Providers in the West/North are likely to block traffic(read access) from African users - given that we would cause them traffic increase that is not "profitable" enough to enable them (Google) make the additional payments as demanded by their upstream infrastructure/Telco provider.
> 
> 6.2.1 For each applicable service in a given relation, Operating Agenciesadministrations* shall by mutual agreement, on the basis of cost orientation, establish and revise accounting, transit and termination rates to be applied between them, in accordancevwith the provisions of Appendix 1 and taking into account relevant CCITT ITU-T Recommendations and relevant cost trends.
> 
> * This is already happening btwn Internet Gateway Providers - why would we want to put it under ITU-T recommendations/framework?Again could be some hidden benefit that is not yet clear.
> 
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> 54B 6.5B Member States shall ensure that rates (in particular transit rates, termination rates, and roaming rates) are cost-oriented.
> 
> Are we saying that these rates for internet interconnection are currently NOT cost-oriented? Any evidence to support this? Even if they are not Cost-oriented, is there evidence that cost-oriented approach is the best approach (for Internet Interconnection Rates?) Currently this regime is under a free market economy and just not sure Regulatory intervention is necessarily going to give us the expected positive outcome.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wambua at cck.go.ke" <wambua at cck.go.ke>
> To: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12
> 
> Thanks Walu for confirming your participation. 
> 
> Your query is noted and shall be responded to tomorrow
> 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:37:14 
> To: Wambua, Christopher<Wambua at cck.go.ke>
> Reply-To: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12
> 
> 
> Wambua, I appreciate the CCK invite and plan to attend.  
> 
> Just going through the African Proposal and now looking at proposal 3.4A below:
> 
> >>>3.4A
> Member States shall ensure that the legal and regulatory frameworks and
> instruments applicable in their territories shall mandate Operating 
> Agencies which operate in their territory and provide international 
> telecommunications services offered to the public to apply the ITU-T 
> Resolutions and Recommendations relating to naming, numbering, 
> addressing and identification. Member States shall ensure that these 
> resources are used only by the assignees and only for the purposes for 
> which they were assigned; and that unassigned resources are not used.
> 
> >>>
> 
> Put in plain language, it looks like ISPs/Content Providers/Domain Name 
> Registrars amongst others must adopt ITU-T resolutions with respect to 
> their daily operations. Just wondering what are these ITU-T resolutions, where and when are they made up and perhaps more importantly who makes 
> them up. Is it possible to have draft ITU-T resolutions surrounding this specific article?
> walu.
> 
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> To: jwalu at yahoo.com 
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> Subject: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12
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> 
> Listers
>  
> I wish to remind those who have expressed interest in
> participating in the stakeholders meeting scheduled for tomorrow that the programme
> kicks off at 830a.m. The venue of the meeting is Laico Regency Hotel in
> Nairobi. 
>  
> Participants are encouraged to come with laptops or iPads as
> the meeting will be paperless. 
>  
> See you there.  
>  
> Christopher
> Wambua
> Manager/Communications
> Consumer
> and Public Affairs Division 
> Communications
> Commission of Kenya
> P.O.
> Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
> KENYA
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