[kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12

Mon Nov 12 23:08:13 EAT 2012

WaluI am wondering if we need international regulation for private business arrangements. Still reading. 

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:00 -0800
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12
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Wambua,

Thanax again. I have some further submission, you may wish to digest and respond on tomorrow.  Mostly based on the fact that these ITU Regulations have expanded the scope of Telecommunications to included "ICTs" (read Internet).  My coments are therefore based on the perspective of these proposed regulations as they would apply to the Internet Market Sector.

regards,
walu.
*****************comments in RED----, Proposed Changes in Italics as below------.

38A
4.3A
Members States shall ensure transparency of end-user prices and the
provision of clear information on how to access the services and the
prices thereof, in particular to avoid unreasonable or surprising
bills for international services (e.g. mobile roaming and data
roaming),
and shall ensure that Operating Agencies take the necessary measures
to fulfill these requirements.

This
one very interesting.  But international internet interconnection charges are
currently private commercial arrangements and will be interesting to
see how this private contracts would now be open to Regulatory
scrutiny.  Either way, Internet International Interconnection charges
have dropped significantly and not sure how Regulatory access to the
same would have any impact i.e. reduce them further..

###
6.0.3
Member States shall promote cost oriented wholesale pricing.

Who
says cost oriented wholesale pricing is the best option -
particularly within the Internet Markets? And what evidence do we
have that wholesale pricing would reduce prices at retail level?
Would be happy to review such evidence.

######
6.0.4
Member States shall take measures to ensure that fair compensation is
received for carried traffic (e.g. interconnection or termination).

I dont
understand this one. But it looks borrowed from the Telephone world
where Incoming calls from say Europe into Kenya would result in
Telkom Kenya pocketing some good revenue. Unfortunately this model
does not work on the Internet simply because an Internet Call (skype)
from Europe would NOT travel in a single straight line from Europe to
Kenya. It may take multiple paths and so makes such a charging
mechanism difficult to apportion accross these multiple paths. 

#####
6.0.5
Member States shall ensure that their regulatory frameworks drive the
Operating Agencies to establish mutual commercial agreements with
providers of international communication applications and services in
alignment with principles of fair competition, innovation, adequate
quality of service and security.

Why
this?  I thought this is the natural and typical objective and
practice  of Operating Agencies (Telcos/ISPs) in  a free market
economy .  Why would we want to put it in law or under ITU
recommendations? There could be a benefit but it is not immediately
clear.
####

6.0.6
The Member States shall take measures to ensure that Operating
Agencies have the right to charge providers of international
communication applications and services appropriate access charges
based on the agreed quality of service.

This
could be the contentious one.  Where Infrastructure guys aim to have 
additional pay from Content guys based on the traffic volume
generated say by Google, Akamai, NationMedia, etc. Not sure its  a
good thing since Content Providers in the West/North are likely to
block traffic(read access) from African users - given that we would
cause them traffic increase that is not "profitable" enough
to enable them (Google) make the additional payments as demanded by
their upstream infrastructure/Telco provider.

6.2.1
For each applicable service in a given relation, Operating
Agenciesadministrations* shall by mutual agreement, on the basis of
cost orientation, establish and revise accounting, transit and
termination rates to be applied between them, in accordancevwith the
provisions of Appendix 1 and taking into account relevant CCITT ITU-T
Recommendations and relevant cost trends.

*
This is already happening btwn Internet Gateway Providers - why would
we want to put it under  ITU-T recommendations/framework?Again could
be some hidden benefit that is not yet clear.

##############
54B
6.5B Member States shall
ensure that rates (in particular transit rates, termination rates,
and roaming rates) are cost-oriented.

Are
we saying that these rates for internet interconnection are currently
NOT cost-oriented? Any evidence to support this? Even if they are not
Cost-oriented, is there evidence that cost-oriented approach is the
best approach (for Internet Interconnection Rates?) Currently this
regime is under a free market economy and just not sure Regulatory
intervention is necessarily going to give us the expected positive
outcome. 

######

 ----- Original Message -----
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Thanks Walu for confirming your participation. 

Your query is noted and shall be responded to tomorrow

Sent from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:37:14 
To: Wambua, Christopher<Wambua at cck.go.ke>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12

Wambua, I appreciate the CCK invite and plan to attend.  

Just going through the African Proposal and now looking at proposal 3.4A below:

>>>3.4A
 Member States shall ensure that the legal and regulatory frameworks and
 instruments applicable in their territories shall mandate Operating 
Agencies which operate in their territory and provide international 
telecommunications services offered to the public to apply the ITU-T 
Resolutions and Recommendations relating to naming, numbering, 
addressing and identification. Member States shall ensure that these 
resources are used only by the assignees and only for the purposes for 
which they were assigned; and that unassigned resources are not
 used.

>>>

Put in plain language, it looks like ISPs/Content Providers/Domain Name 
Registrars amongst others must adopt ITU-T resolutions with respect to 
their daily operations. Just wondering what are these ITU-T resolutions, where and when are they made up and perhaps more importantly who makes 
them up. Is it possible to have draft ITU-T resolutions surrounding this specific article?
walu.

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Subject: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12

Listers

I wish to remind those who have expressed interest in
participating in the stakeholders meeting scheduled for tomorrow that the programme
kicks off at 830a.m. The venue of the meeting is Laico Regency Hotel in
Nairobi. 

Participants are encouraged to come with laptops or iPads as
the meeting will be paperless. 

See you there.  

Christopher
Wambua
Manager/Communications
Consumer
and Public Affairs Division 
Communications
Commission of Kenya
P.O.
Box 14448, NAIROBI
 00800
KENYA

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