[kictanet] ITU/ATU and CCK in closed door meeting

Fri Nov 2 18:11:41 EAT 2012

Hallo Walu

I was able to identify some non-government entities in the meeting. Some Kenyan ICT consultants which gave me the initial impression it was an open forum. It is just that, if some Kenyan firms are involved why not TESPOK? Any way the non-Kenyan government representative did not get to talk to me as a result and we agreed to keep our discussion online till we are next able to meet.

I didn't expect an invitation from ITU/ATU but the person we encountered should have been a bit courteous. Chances are if a foreign regulator would like to have a discussion with TESPOK at a meting with CCK banners I will be more than happy to give them audience. I asked them to come to the office but they insisted we go to the Hilton and it was a learning curve for me on dealing with foreign regulators when they visit Kenya. Or is it that TESPOK should have no interaction what so ever with non-Kenyan regulators? 

Anyway all said and done, I put the issue to rest.

Fiona Asonga 
Chief Executive Officer 
Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 
Board Member Africa Internet Service Providers Association 

Co-ordinator of Membership and Communication of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team 

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Standard Street 

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within the Industry and Government” 

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Subject: Re: [kictanet] ITU/ATU and CCK in closed door meeting

Alice K, WAmbua,

Sounds all good - but it is also fair to say that ITU is really under no obligation to include everyone in their meetings. And they really should not apologise for that since that is how they are constituted by government treaties...

So methinks Fiona crashed into a Regulator /ITU meeting and she got kicked out accordingly :-) Am not saying its fair, am just saying I perfectly understand where ITU is coming from and will only change if the same Govts decide to change the nature of the treaties inorder to give smaller fish (Wanjiku) some say.

But then again, should Wanjiku have a say when already she authorised Govt. to speak on her behalf at ITU? Why would we want to duplicate issues?

walu.

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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 16:45 AST (Arabian) alice koech wrote:

>Fiona,
>I want to appreciate your sentiments and seek to clarify that the meeting was NOT secret and neither seemingly secret.
>ITU did organize this workshop as a follow-up of another workshop for regulators in the region and they are the ones who did send out the invitations. ATU was only asked to co-host and facilitate the logistics of the local arrangements. The support of CCK was sought to assist with some logistical arrangements and of course attend as regulators. 
>When you showed up at Hilton this afternoon, none of the people you met did not know you nor the organization you represent (at least that is what I was made to understand). Bad practice in our country....
>When you called me, I had just arrived at Hilton and immediately tried to investigate the case and what I hear is that nobody asked the security to usher you out of the meeting room and that they only requested you to come out so that they could get more information. I do not know exactly what happened....
>We apologize as co-conveners for what you have reported because they ought to have let you in as there was nothing secret.
>
>Alice
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+a.koech=atu-uat.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Fiona Asonga
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:51 PM
>To: a.koech at atu-uat.org
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>Subject: [kictanet] ITU/ATU and CCK in closed door meeting
>
>Hallo All,
>
>I have a question to CCK/MOIC (Government of Kenya)
>
>It turn out that the ITU/ATU and CCK have had a discussion in the last one week at The Hilton Hotel Nairobi on Frequency Spectrum pricing models and Digital migration that is 'seemingly secret'. I use the phrase 'seemingly secret' because when one of the regional regulators asked to meet with TESPOK and we showed up at the meeting an hour ago; ATU/CCK sent Hilton Security to kick us out of the discussion like there was something we were not suppose to hear. 
>
>Can ITU/ATU/CCK please clarify what was being discussed that the rest of industry should not know about? What is wrong with TESPOK sitting in as an observer if we don't qualify make any contribution to the discussion? 
>
>If our regulator and partners take to kicking industry out of such discussions where does that leave all the progress on stakeholder interaction we are striving to have especially in view of the new constitution?
> 
>Kind regards
>
>Fiona Asonga 
>Chief Executive Officer 
>Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 
>Board Member Africa Internet Service Providers Association 
>
>Co-ordinator of Membership and Communication of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team 
>
>NRO Number Council http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html 
>
>ASO Address Council http://aso.icann.org/ac/ 
>
>
>14 th Floor, Bruce House 
>Standard Street 
>
>Tel: +254 20 2245 036 
>Cell: +254 721 713 504 
>
>Website: www.tespok.or.ke 
>
>
>
>“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction 
>within the Industry and Government” 
>
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