[kictanet] RESPONSES FROM ENGINEER KIDENDA ON THE STATE OF KENYAN ROADS

Wed May 30 16:46:45 EAT 2012

Muraya

Point noted and acceded. However if you noted in my response I also
accepted that there are certain aspects of this that may be a layman should
be able to point out. I believe the key point as far as audits are
concerned is that they need to be structured with clear mandates and
deliverable.

Regards

Ali Hussein

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:29 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ali,
>
> Will give you the benefit of the doubt factoring you may not be trained on
> Public Administration like John Michuki was.
>
> How does community policing work? Someone in the community knows what the
> crime is if not who the criminal is. A reward is offered and...
>
> A road contractor works with a team which knows when they are taking short
> cuts. Getting to know members of this team is a way to find out what went
> wrong, why the road develops holes again 2 months after the work is
> completed.
>
> The project manager may lie to the Area Chief, but not all of the casual
> laborers will, especially the disgruntled ones.
>
> Last year, a petrol attendant in Parklands told me when he worked on Jogoo
> Road, they used to sell normal unleaded fuel as ''V-Power". They would
> change the signage on the fuel pumps, when "V-Power" ran out - they would
> make more money of normal unleaded fuel.
>
> Did the petrol attendant have to be a a chemical engineer to know the
> crime committed?
>
> <Jicho Pevu>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>> I concur with Eric on this one. To expect Chiefs to do audits on the
>> quality of work done on Roads Construction & Maintenance is Pedestrian (Pun
>> intended!) thinking..
>>
>> Having said that, Eric, it would be good to know what the agencies
>> responsible are doing to ensure well done work on our infrastructure. What
>> piques me is the obvious lack of finishing in some of the projects (which i
>> guess Chiefs) can point out... :-)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah at kippra.or.ke>wrote:
>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> Internal audits, are very different from mandated, arm's length road
>>> safety audits.
>>>
>>> The outcomes cannot be the same.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD
>>> Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services
>>> Division
>>> Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)
>>> P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya
>>> Telephone:       +254-20-2719933/4
>>> Fax:                +254-20-2719951
>>> E-mail:            jairah at kippra.or.ke
>>> URL:              www.kippra.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature!
>>> "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been
>>> granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do
>>> not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it."
>>> John F. Kennedy
>>> "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own
>>> self-assessment is a very big mistake"
>>> Columbia University President Lee Bollinger
>>> "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though
>>> checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither
>>> enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that
>>> knows not victory, nor defeat."
>>> Theodore Roosevelt
>>> "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi"
>>> "Per aspera ad astra!"
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-
>>> > bounces+jairah=kippra.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki
>>> > Mwangi
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:47 PM
>>> > To: Eric Aligula
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] RESPONSES FROM ENGINEER KIDENDA ON THE STATE
>>> > OF KENYAN ROADS
>>> >
>>> > Hi GG, et al,
>>> >
>>> > While the response is appreciated, it is apparently clear IMHO that
>>> internal
>>> > audits for safety standards do not work for us. Further, it is almost
>>> evident
>>> > that no one can be held accountable or responsible for Road Safety
>>> other
>>> > than myself.
>>> >
>>> > IMHO an independently entity such as NEMA should be mandated to ensure
>>> > the bare minimum road safety standards such as markings, signage,
>>> safety
>>> > engineering, are in place on our roads. Absence should lead to
>>> automatic
>>> > closures of the roads until the safety features are implemented.
>>> >
>>> > For instance, the so called black-spots have been at the same location
>>> for
>>> > decades. Sadly even the bare minimum signage, that one is approaching a
>>> > black-spot, is missing let alone re-engineering the road to eliminate
>>> the
>>> > problem (be it a social or technical cause).
>>> >
>>> > With economic growth, we can expect to have many new including young
>>> > and old drivers coming onto the roads every day. Without some basic
>>> safety
>>> > standards and guidelines we can bet the carnage will only get worse.
>>> >
>>> > As such if road safety is entirely my sole responsibility then excuse
>>> my
>>> > cynicism and probably that of others when using our roads.
>>> >
>>> > my 2 cents.
>>> >
>>> > Michuki.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 5/30/12 11:32 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote:
>>> > > Listers
>>> > >
>>> > > Greetings.
>>> > >
>>> > > Kindly find attached a response from Engineer Kidenda on the state of
>>> > > Kenyan Roads.
>>> > >
>>> > > Rgds
>>> > > Grace
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > > --
>>> > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:23:03 +0100
>>> > > From: ekebaya at yahoo.co.uk
>>> > > Subject: RE: KENYA ICT ACTION NETWORK QUESTIONS TO ENGINEER
>>> > KIDENDA ON
>>> > > THE STATE OF KENYAN ROADS
>>> > > To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; dg at kenha.co.ke; otieno.barrack at gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > > Dear Grace,
>>> > >
>>> > > I sent this response to you yesterday from our official mail but it
>>> > > seems it did not get through.
>>> > >
>>> > > Kindly acknowledge receipt
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > >
>>> > > Esther Kebaya
>>> > > for: Director General, KeNHA
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>
>>
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