[kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept

Mon Mar 12 15:38:51 EAT 2012

2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste... 

Please elaborate.

Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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 From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 10:23
Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept

Short version:

1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...

2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...

3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them

4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...

Have a great week folk!

Brian

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:

But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
>
>
>On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
>>
>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
>>
>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.
>>
>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen
>>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > @ Brian,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an
>>> > entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists,
>>> > its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you
>>> > have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
>>> >
>>> > Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual
>>> > person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your
>>> > interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to
>>> > join KEPSA.  Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of
>>> > KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn
>>> > which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
>>> >
>>> > If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your
>>> > democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then
>>> > again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does
>>> > not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before
>>> > you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions
>>> > BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
>>> >
>>> > I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by
>>> > the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
>>> >
>>> > 1.  Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba
>>> > serikali)
>>> > 2.  Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation
>>> > (we need new laws)
>>> >
>>> > All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the
>>> > constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that
>>> > you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to
>>> > mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its
>>> > entirety.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I
>>> > am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and
>>> > you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces.  The constitution
>>> > is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being
>>> > recorded.  Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us
>>> > where busy in the cloud.
>>> >
>>> > For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get
>>> > you the document in audio version.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Robert Yawe
>>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> > Kenya
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
>>> >
>>> > Hi all
>>> >
>>> > First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert
>>> > Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
>>> >
>>> > I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please
>>> > do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
>>> >
>>> > Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who
>>> > were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to
>>> > simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home
>>> > page? It simply states:
>>> >
>>> > "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a
>>> > membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership
>>> > Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations –
>>> > and is still growing. "
>>> >
>>> > Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -
>>> > allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership
>
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