<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste... <br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Please elaborate.</span></div><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 12 March 2012, 10:23<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv894217309">Short version:<div><br></div><div>1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...</div>
<div><br></div><div>2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...</div><div><br></div><div>3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them</div>
<div><br></div><div>4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...</div><div><br></div><div>Have a great week folk!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Brian<br><br><div class="yiv894217309gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv894217309gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.<div><div class="yiv894217309h5"><br><br>On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?<br>><br>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?<br>><br>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.<br>><br>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.<br>
><br>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen<br>
>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there<br>>><br>>> Thanks<br>>><br>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > @ Brian,<br>>> ><br>>> > Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an<br>>> > entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists,<br>
>> > its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you<br>>> > have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.<br>>> ><br>>> > Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual<br>
>> > person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your<br>>> > interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to<br>>> > join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of<br>
>> > KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn<br>>> > which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.<br>>> ><br>>> > If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your<br>
>> > democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then<br>>> > again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does<br>>> > not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before<br>
>> > you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions<br>>> > BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.<br>>> ><br>>> > I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by<br>
>> > the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.<br>>> ><br>>> > 1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba<br>>> > serikali)<br>>> > 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation<br>
>> > (we need new laws)<br>>> ><br>>> > All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the<br>>> > constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that<br>
>> > you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to<br>>> > mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its<br>>> > entirety.<br>>> ><br>
>> > Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I<br>>> > am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and<br>>> > you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution<br>
>> > is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being<br>>> > recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us<br>>> > where busy in the cloud.<br>
>> ><br>>> > For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get<br>>> > you the document in audio version.<br>>> ><br>>> > Regards<br>>> ><br>
>> > Robert Yawe<br>>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>>> > Kenya<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>>> > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>>> > To: robert yawe <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> > Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44<br>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br>
>> ><br>>> > Hi all<br>>> ><br>>> > First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert<br>>> > Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.<br>
>> ><br>>> > I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please<br>>> > do our homework before we post scalding remarks?<br>>> ><br>>> > Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who<br>
>> > were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to<br>>> > simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home<br>>> > page? It simply states:<br>>> ><br>
>> > "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a<br>>> > membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership<br>>> > Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations –<br>
>> > and is still growing. "<br>>> ><br>>> > Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -<br>>> > allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership<br>
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