[kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept

Mon Mar 12 13:24:40 EAT 2012

Excellent feedback Suraj.

Let us make progress on the basis of facts and experience, not
suppositions...

Best regards,

Brian

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Suraj Shah <suraj at surajshah.co.ke> wrote:

> KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee
> members,
> has lapsed into a state of coma.  In Dec 2010 we had elections and did
> handover office to new office bearers.  However, KIF had funding issues -
> where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members
> were
> forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses.  Even though the
> organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's
> views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get
> members to renew membership and support the organisation.  You will find
> this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free
> and only recognise the importance when it suits them.  If enough companies
> are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your
> mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber.
>
> Suraj
>
>
> On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Instead of saying "KEPSA"  - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation
> > (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all
> > ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT
> > bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),
> > etcetc).  Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the
> > top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers
> > assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
> >
> > I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward
> > between 2006 and 2009...
> >
> > Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership
> > structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
> >
> > On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Short version:
> >>
> >> 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT
> >> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform
> into
> >> a body representing IT businesses have failed...
> >>
> >> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his
> >> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
> >>
> >> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no
> >> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
> >>
> >> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that
> >> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people
> should
> >> listen...
> >>
> >> Have a great week folk!
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the
> >>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
> >>>>
> >>>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
> >>>>
> >>>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information
> Technology
> >>>> / Services firms.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen
> >>>>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>> @ Brian,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
> >>>>>> need an
> >>>>>> entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation
> >>>>>> exists,
> >>>>>> its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you
> >>>>>> have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an
> >>>>>> individual
> >>>>>> person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your
> >>>>>> interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO
> >>>>>> refuses to
> >>>>>> join KEPSA.  Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
> >>>>>> part of
> >>>>>> KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to
> >>>>>> Evelyn
> >>>>>> which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search
> >>>>>> result.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your
> >>>>>> democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>> again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it
> >>>>>> does
> >>>>>> not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but
> >>>>>> before
> >>>>>> you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your
> >>>>>> subscriptions
> >>>>>> BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being
> >>>>>> repeated by
> >>>>>> the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1.  Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen
> (na
> >>>>>> omba
> >>>>>> serikali)
> >>>>>> 2.  Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new
> >>>>>> dispensation
> >>>>>> (we need new laws)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the
> >>>>>> constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which
> >>>>>> means that
> >>>>>> you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle
> >>>>>> (had to
> >>>>>> mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read
> >>>>>> in its
> >>>>>> entirety.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after
> >>>>>> which I
> >>>>>> am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has
> >>>>>> changed and
> >>>>>> you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces.  The
> >>>>>> constitution
> >>>>>> is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if
> not
> >>>>>> being
> >>>>>> recorded.  Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of
> >>>>>> us
> >>>>>> where busy in the cloud.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I
> >>>>>> could get
> >>>>>> you the document in audio version.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert Yawe
> >>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >>>>>> Kenya
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at
> Robert
> >>>>>> Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has
> raised.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we
> >>>>>> please
> >>>>>> do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who
> >>>>>> were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult
> to
> >>>>>> simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their
> home
> >>>>>> page? It simply states:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership
> >>>>>> Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations 
> >>>>>> and is still growing. "
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -
> >>>>>> allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership
> >>>>>> Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >>>>>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
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