Excellent feedback Suraj.<div><br></div><div>Let us make progress on the basis of facts and experience, not suppositions...</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Suraj Shah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suraj@surajshah.co.ke">suraj@surajshah.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members,<br>
has lapsed into a state of coma. �In Dec 2010 we had elections and did<br>
handover office to new office bearers. �However, KIF had funding issues -<br>
where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were<br>
forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. �Even though the<br>
organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's<br>
views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get<br>
members to renew membership and support the organisation. �You will find<br>
this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free<br>
and only recognise the importance when it suits them. �If enough companies<br>
are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your<br>
mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Suraj<br>
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On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Instead of saying "KEPSA" �- lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation<br>
> (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all<br>
> ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT<br>
> bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),<br>
> etcetc). �Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the<br>
> top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers<br>
> assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.<br>
><br>
> I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward<br>
> between 2006 and 2009...<br>
><br>
> Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership<br>
> structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?<br>
><br>
> On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Short version:<br>
>><br>
>> 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT<br>
>> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into<br>
>> a body representing IT businesses have failed...<br>
>><br>
>> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his<br>
>> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...<br>
>><br>
>> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no<br>
>> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them<br>
>><br>
>> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that<br>
>> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should<br>
>> listen...<br>
>><br>
>> Have a great week folk!<br>
>><br>
>> Brian<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the<br>
>>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology<br>
>>>> / Services firms.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen<br>
>>>>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> @ Brian,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we<br>
>>>>>> need an<br>
>>>>>> entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation<br>
>>>>>> exists,<br>
>>>>>> its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you<br>
>>>>>> have�preferred�to�lambaste�and ignore it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an<br>
>>>>>> individual<br>
>>>>>> person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your<br>
>>>>>> interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO<br>
>>>>>> refuses to<br>
>>>>>> join KEPSA. �Just for your information, I had the�privilege�of being<br>
>>>>>> part of<br>
>>>>>> KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to<br>
>>>>>> Evelyn<br>
>>>>>> which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search<br>
>>>>>> result.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your<br>
>>>>>> democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name<br>
>>>>>> then<br>
>>>>>> again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it<br>
>>>>>> does<br>
>>>>>> not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but<br>
>>>>>> before<br>
>>>>>> you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your<br>
>>>>>> subscriptions<br>
>>>>>> BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being<br>
>>>>>> repeated by<br>
>>>>>> the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1. �Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na<br>
>>>>>> omba<br>
>>>>>> serikali)<br>
>>>>>> 2. �Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new<br>
>>>>>> dispensation<br>
>>>>>> (we need new laws)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the<br>
>>>>>> constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which<br>
>>>>>> means that<br>
>>>>>> you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle<br>
>>>>>> (had to<br>
>>>>>> mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read<br>
>>>>>> in its<br>
>>>>>> entirety.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after<br>
>>>>>> which I<br>
>>>>>> am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has<br>
>>>>>> changed and<br>
>>>>>> you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. �The<br>
>>>>>> constitution<br>
>>>>>> is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not<br>
>>>>>> being<br>
>>>>>> recorded. �Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of<br>
>>>>>> us<br>
>>>>>> where busy in the cloud.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I<br>
>>>>>> could get<br>
>>>>>> you the document in audio version.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Robert Yawe<br>
>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
>>>>>> Kenya<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>> To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Hi all<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert<br>
>>>>>> Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we<br>
>>>>>> please<br>
>>>>>> do our homework before we post scalding remarks?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who<br>
>>>>>> were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to<br>
>>>>>> simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home<br>
>>>>>> page? It simply states:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with<br>
>>>>>> a<br>
>>>>>> membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership<br>
>>>>>> Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations �<br>
>>>>>> and is still growing. "<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -<br>
>>>>>> allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership<br>
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