[kictanet] Thika Road Debate

Wed Jun 27 21:02:31 EAT 2012

Bwana Kibati. Why are there so many bodies to manage roads? That all
presumably have separate engineering, support, management and
administrative staff. Why?

Vision 2030 i would like to think is not just about infrastructure and ict.
We can also grow this country by streamlining inefficiencies
On 27 Jun 2012 20:10, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mr Kibati, have you been on Kenyatta Avenue of late? I bet you probably
> never find your way to Luthuli Avenue. I dont think it matters who the
> roads are under, but this is basically an indication of the kind of
> mediocrity that you must deal with if you will have any hopes of delivering
> on vision 2030. From shoddy jobs, to shoddy organization. The road between
> Embassy Roundabout and Museum Hill ( I am not sure if its called Kipande
> Road) was built less than 15 years ago. Today there is no road there worth
> talking about. Thats how we do our things. Short term solutions where we
> should be overhauling the entire system. I am sure right now someone is
> working on an RFP for that particular road.
>
> Kenya, and Nairobi in particular, needs to have a complete overhaul of
> everything. We need to plan this city afresh, from square 1. Then we must
> come up with a plan for the next 100 years. The big infrastructure projects
> going on will help a lot in developing the economy, but what will that mean
> for the peasant who cant get adequate medical care when they are sick? Will
> our people die of hunger again next year if rains fail? Are we waiting for
> that to happen so that we can have yet another mega fund raiser on M-Pesa?
> Everything is just ridiculous if you think about it.
>
> Your biggest fight is one against this one evil. Nature does not tolerate
> mediocrity!
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Mugo Kibati <mugo at vision2030.go.ke>wrote:
>
>> Upper Hill is under Kenya Urban Roads Authority. We have road expansion
>> and upgrade projects that have taken a while to take off but that have now
>> commenced both in Upper Hill and Eastleigh. KURA is also responsible for
>> the Western Ring Roads projects.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 27 Jun 2012, at 16:16, Paul Roy <roykoikai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What about roads in upperhill?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mugo Kibati < <mugo at vision2030.go.ke>
>> mugo at vision2030.go.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>>  Been following this discussion and would just like to make a couple of
>>> comments:
>>>
>>> 1) The roads authorities were created to ensure specific allocation of
>>> responsibility which lacked in the past. So Eng. Kidenda as CEO of the
>>> Kenya National Highways Authority can be held responsible for the highways
>>> and trunk roads but not the urban roads which are squarely the
>>> responsibility of the Kenya Urban Roads Authority.
>>>
>>> 2) We have a great deal yet to do. As one of you intimated, some of what
>>> we are doing ought to have been done on the 60s and while that may be true,
>>> we still have to do it today if we didn't do it then. This even as we
>>> simultaneously move to the next level. The challenges raised by listers
>>> here are precisely what we need to raise the bar!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mugo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 27 Jun 2012, at 11:34, waudo siganga < <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>>> emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Noted Gaitho. Great article.
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 09:32 AM, Macharia Gaitho wrote:
>>>
>>>  Waudo,
>>>
>>>  I did not say that Rural and Urban Roads Authorities lie in Mr
>>> Kidenda's docket; I said they fall BELOW has radar. Yaani, they are beneath
>>> him.
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>> Macharia Gaitho
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 21:45, "waudo siganga" < <emailsignet at mailcan.com><emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>>> emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>    Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country
>>> in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go
>>> far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that
>>> the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one,
>>> which is shorter, is not.
>>>  One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and
>>> Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is
>>> in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority.
>>>
>>>  Waudo
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Listers
>>>
>>>  I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For
>>> those who missed, the link posted below.
>>>
>>>  Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of
>>> Kenya
>>> <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html><http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html>
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html
>>>
>>>  Rgds
>>>  GG
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